Prot warriors and other tank comparison?

[Roiids]

I have not touched my lv 100 paladin yet in Legion. I liked the tanking style when I played him in WOD. Was thinking of making him my main alt as i dont have one yet.

How is their tanking? Compared to other classes? More survivability or less? More DPS or less?

How is ret if i wanted to dps as well?

Thanks in advance all!

PS: I tried to do a search and didnt find anything.

[kazas]

It doesn't really matter unless you're trying to push cutting edge content.

All tanks are viable for normal/heroic/lfr

[stevan021]

A bit less survivability without CDs but fucking insane in m+ you outdamage DPSes sometimes =D

[Holovik]

Building upon other replies:

DPS as prot is definitely the best of the best. Once you get the AS pants and a sephuz you will out DPS a lot of dmg classes on 4+ mob pulls. You can also use the AW belt with the AS pants and do a considerable amount of damage.

As far as tanking, paladins have really good on demand mitigation with Shield of the Righteous, Ardent Defender, and Guardian of Ancient Kings. On top of that we also have Hand of Protection (BOP) and if you talent into Last Stand you get 8 sec immunity with bubble. This comes at the expense of being probably the lowest HP tank.

Hope this helps. Paladin has a lot going on when tanking but it provides a ton of utility and makes the class enjoyable.

[Ealyssa]

ALL HAIL SPELLWARD

Prot paly is not my main. But it's clearly my most liked alt currently. So much fun with its stupidly high dps. And while it's clealry not the best tank in term of survivability (I also have a BrM alt which is night and day compared to all my others tanks including my VDH main which has 15 ilvl more) it has a nice toolkit capable of answering any threat.

Pro pally was my main for 4 years before Legion. Hated the new gameplay they introduced with the removal of holy power. Hated playing it undergeared. But being honest once you have a decent ammount of haste the mashing of button become strangely fun. Really thinking about switching it to main status for ToS, will depend on how VDH will be heading (and how BrM wil be nerfed too )

[cuafpr]

IMO its weaker than it has been in previous xpacs and though Holy combo points are gone (the only saving grace...) needs work. I'll admit from the start i'm very anti tank dps and anti active mitigation in its current form. I miss the old days of tank DPS being a non-factor / not talked about, and threat being king with a few CD's to be used for special attacks not on cool down (almost). so with that said yeah prot is blah but i still main it and tank, sucks taking beside a bear though when the healers talk about how much easier they are to heal than you... esp if you miss one key SotR.

[Roiids]

I appreciate all the feedback, this toon at most would be a heroic tank and M+ tank so sounds like its a solid choice for those.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I tank on most of the specs (Pally, DH, Bear, Warrior). I love my prot pally because he plays faster than the others. Avengers Shield, Blessed Hammer, and all the haste we stack. I feel like a laser show on my pally.

[Maylander]

We're easily as good as Warriors, probably better. In fact, the only tanks I'd say are genuinely stronger than us are Guardians, who could use a slight nerf to Thrash and survivability. Even in single target situations, Thrash does about 1/3 of their damage, which is a bit much for a cleave.

At any rate, we're in a good spot.

[Raiz]

Meh. If you want a class that has a lot of retarded spells then go ahead, pick Paladin. There are like 10 useless spells that you almost never use them because you don't really need them, unless you're in a progress guild or in high m+.

You can basically tank everything with only 3 spells : shield of righteous, eye of tyr and avenger's shield. With probably another "mitigation" button that is called hand of the protector.
The rest of the spells are just a bonus. You don't have to use them because they don't offer any passive dps afaik (Except maybe ardent defender ? Can't remember Either way I'm not sure it's a huge bonus).

What I like the most about this tank is his self heal. But other than that, it's kinda boring to play tbh.

To each their own I guess.

[Tehterokkar]

Meh. If you want a class that has a lot of retarded spells then go ahead, pick Paladin. There are like 10 useless spells that you almost never use them because you don't really need them, unless you're in a progress guild or in high m+.

You can basically tank everything with only 3 spells : shield of righteous, eye of tyr and avenger's shield. With probably another "mitigation" button that is called hand of the protector.
The rest of the spells are just a bonus. You don't have to use them because they don't offer any passive dps afaik (Except maybe ardent defender ? Can't remember Either way I'm not sure it's a huge bonus).

What I like the most about this tank is his self heal. But other than that, it's kinda boring to play tbh.

To each their own I guess.

You probably have never even played Protection Paladin in Legion.

Judgement reduces the CD of Shield of the Righteous.

Consecration gives bonus healing to LotP and bonus damage reduction SoR(if not talented for Consecrated Hammer).

Blessed Hammer(which should be your default choice in vast majority of content, other than Star Augur) gives a 12% damage reduction for white swings.

[Raiz]

You probably have never even played Protection Paladin in Legion.

Judgement reduces the CD of Shield of the Righteous.

Consecration gives bonus healing to LotP and bonus damage reduction SoR(if not talented for Consecrated Hammer).

Blessed Hammer(which should be your default choice in vast majority of content, other than Star Augur) gives a 12% damage reduction for white swings.

Maybe I should've phrased it differently : There are a lot of "defensive" spells he won't be be using much. Notably Blessing of Protection and Divine Shield. I tend to avoid them like a plague because otherwise I'm losing aggro. In m+ it's a big NOPE. And then you have a lot of semi useless abilities that you can avoid using them : Flash of light ? Cleanse Toxins ? Blessing of Sacrifice ? Blessing of freedom ? Guardian of Ancient Kings ? Repentance (this one could be "useful". I'm thinking about the add they spawn from the minibosses before skovald for example) ? And finally Lay on hand ? If you're using the last spell, chances are someone somewhere fucked it up.

Obviously, you'll be using Judgment, or Consecration, lol. No way in hell I'd play without them, they are dps abilities for fuck sake

Paladin is actually my 5th tank I've leveled in legion. The only tank I didn't play yet is Druid. Tbh I'm not motivated to play it because they seem to be even more boring than paladin or DH T_T

If I had to answer to the original OP's question, I'd suggest him to play either DK or Monk, or maybe Warrior. Their DPS spec are actually funnier to play than Ret. By a large margin.

But like I said, it's my own opinion.

[Deleted]

Notably Blessing of Protection and Divine Shield

You won't use abilities that allow you to cheese or ignore many mechanics in the game? Really?

tend to avoid them like a plague because otherwise I'm losing aggro.

1) BOP has a large amount of uses on party members to negate boss mechanics.
2) Taunt if you're using them on yourself, it forces the target to continue to attack you.

Guardian of Ancient Kings ?

Did you legitimately just say you cant think of a situation where you'd use Shield Wall?

And finally Lay on hand ? If you're using the last spell, chances are someone somewhere fucked it up.

Are you only doing trivial content or something?

[OrcinusDrake]

*autism*

Yeah no.

/10char

[Raiz]

I'm almost close to give up. So let me state what OP said : He's using it for an alt that will run only heroic and m+. If I'm reading it correctly, he's not pushing it past the limit of how close the paladin can tank without dying.

You won't use abilities that allow you to cheese or ignore many mechanics in the game? Really?

Define "many". These spells have an inherent long cooldown to start with, and you won't be using them on CD. In other words, you're hardly using them hence why I said you won't be needing them. This is once again according to OP's statement.

1) BOP has a large amount of uses on party members to negate boss mechanics.
2) Taunt if you're using them on yourself, it forces the target to continue to attack you.

1/ is fair point. That's why I use hand of the protector. I'm sacrificing the speed because in this day an age there are still a lot of players who don't understand they're standing in a fire.
2/ not new. Thanks for the advice though, pretty sure OP will appreciate it.

Did you legitimately just say you cant think of a situation where you'd use Shield Wall?

Are you only doing trivial content or something?

Yes and yes. Reason : Op's statement. He probably won't need it for 99% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I even have the legendary chest, and still I'm hardly using it outside of high m+. Haven't done any raids with this alt yet (or maybe some LFR ?). But I guess, I could be using it a lot more. Thing is, I doubt that's the OP's objective. Maybe I'm wrong, then power to him.

What I'm saying is, he'll hardly use all of the above. And to be honest, he'd be better off playing another tank than a paladin. Like you said, if he want to use them to cheese mechanics, then it means he'll be using them in very high m+ or heroics raids.

Just please, consider what OP is saying. I can perfectly understand that you're using all of your defensive CDs, I'm pretty sure I'd be using them a lot more aswell if I was doing heroics raids or high m+. I just doubt that's the main objective of OP. Please, don't take all my quotes like it's a general advice I give to paladin's tanks.

I think I'm done with that thread, peace.

[Maylander]

You are correct, Raiz, in that such content can be tanked with only a few abilities. However, that goes for all tanks.

[Holovik]

I'm almost close to give up. So let me state what OP said : He's using it for an alt that will run only heroic and m+. If I'm reading it correctly, he's not pushing it past the limit of how close the paladin can tank without dying.


Define "many". These spells have an inherent long cooldown to start with, and you won't be using them on CD. In other words, you're hardly using them hence why I said you won't be needing them. This is once again according to OP's statement.

1/ is fair point. That's why I use hand of the protector. I'm sacrificing the speed because in this day an age there are still a lot of players who don't understand they're standing in a fire.
2/ not new. Thanks for the advice though, pretty sure OP will appreciate it.

Yes and yes. Reason : Op's statement. He probably won't need it for 99% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I even have the legendary chest, and still I'm hardly using it outside of high m+. Haven't done any raids with this alt yet (or maybe some LFR ?). But I guess, I could be using it a lot more. Thing is, I doubt that's the OP's objective. Maybe I'm wrong, then power to him.

What I'm saying is, he'll hardly use all of the above. And to be honest, he'd be better off playing another tank than a paladin. Like you said, if he want to use them to cheese mechanics, then it means he'll be using them in very high m+ or heroics raids.

Just please, consider what OP is saying. I can perfectly understand that you're using all of your defensive CDs, I'm pretty sure I'd be using them a lot more aswell if I was doing heroics raids or high m+. I just doubt that's the main objective of OP. Please, don't take all my quotes like it's a general advice I give to paladin's tanks.

I think I'm done with that thread, peace.

I think you are playing your characters with the "I have a shit ton of gear I don't need to use my spells" mindset. Which is fine if you are comfortable with your group, but even pugging lower level M+ I still frequently use my longer CDs to help smooth out damage intake and speed up the run. Over 50% of my self heals are used on group members Hand of the Protector. I frequently will put Sacrifice on party members to help equalize the groups damage for the healer. Intentionally avoiding using abilities that benefit the group because you aren't "pushing the limit" is just ignorant and lazy.

to OP: Disregard pretty much everything this jagaloon has said in his posts. He is claiming that one of the more advanced tanks is boring because he is choosing to not use the spells that make this tank excellent and interesting and then complaining that Paladin tanking is boring. (self fulfilling prophecy much??)

[Reachie10]

Just please, consider what OP is saying. I can perfectly understand that you're using all of your defensive CDs, I'm pretty sure I'd be using them a lot more aswell if I was doing heroics raids or high m+. I just doubt that's the main objective of OP. Please, don't take all my quotes like it's a general advice I give to paladin's tanks.

I think I'm done with that thread, peace.

Then don't say anything, your opinions are shit. You are basically shitting all over the class because you have no idea how to play it.

All of the things that make a paladin great, you basically say "lol if u use these abitys bad stuff happened noob"

You fucking idiot. Don't come back to this thread.

Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to flame so hard mods. Nothing is worse then giving mis-information to someone who wants to play this class.

[Pua]

Pallies are in their usual spot - amongst the best tanks. As things stand, probably only bears are better than them with death knights and demon hunters being quite a distance behind.

[Deleted]

What I do find nice in tank specc is that every damn gcd and spell you press affects your tanking and survivability. There is nothing irrelevant or "filler" there.