M Tichondrius vs. M Botanist

[styil]

Given the current state of the game, which encounter do you believe is easier overall an why? And which encounter has a greater compositional requirement?

[Bombercloner]

Given the current state of the game, which encounter do you believe is easier overall an why? And which encounter has a greater compositional requirement?

If you are looking for a which one is easier in general I would say Tich.
If you are wanting to know which fight to go to next based on your comp I would suggest posting your comp.

[Frolk]

If ur melee heavy, go Tich as u can go with the strat were u never break brands assuming u have few ranged/healers.
If ranged heavy, go Botanist

[tacticalxxpanda]

Tich was a lot easier for my guild than botanist. We had a pretty ideal comp and were able to get either a rogue, dh or our bear to soak every seeker swarm with another dh and a ret for backup. The hardest part was keeping our tanks alive lol, once we figured that out it wasnt bad at all. Botanist on the other hand.. oh boy. Have fun with that one lol

[Nitros14]

If you do the never break brands strategy I think Tichondrius is easier.

[trm90]

Tich was easier for us too -- healing power / raid hp has increased in the last few weeks so breaking brands shouldn't be a huge issue, but not breaking them is not hard either. Main thing is to sort out Seeker Swarm soakers, and to sort out a raid comp with good burst AoE damage for the Bloods/Bats.

Botanist is a massive clusterfuck of a fight, and felt a lot less forgiving, even with Suicides. So I would go with Tich first, then Bot.

[kmcain32]

M botanist definitely!

[Kalador]

if you have good dps and a monk tank (maybe some other tank can work 2) go bota, monk can tank the debuff last phase for ever, we kill it without even having to move the boss in p3, it's a giant joke as the hardest part of this fight is timing the dispel and everything in p3 imo...

tich is prty ez if you have rogue for the soak, you need good AoE to make the bat phase ez tho...

seriously tho both fight are very very close in terms of difficulty, go for the one you need the most gear from...

[Socialhealer]

tich is just easier in general, setup doesn't matter, it's also a tier boss so go for this imo.

[Uselessrouge]

tich is a joke , killed him in our 6t try after bota... dont know why poeple wait so long to kill him


the soaking is so easy its not realy mythic worthy

[Arcanines]

if you have good dps and a monk tank (maybe some other tank can work 2) go bota, monk can tank the debuff last phase for ever, we kill it without even having to move the boss in p3, it's a giant joke as the hardest part of this fight is timing the dispel and everything in p3 imo...

tich is prty ez if you have rogue for the soak, you need good AoE to make the bat phase ez tho...

Or demon hunters

[Flextt]

[...] monk can tank the debuff last phase for ever, we kill it without even having to move the boss in p3, it's a giant joke as the hardest part of this fight is timing the dispel and everything in p3 imo...

Our pala tank attempted this last wednesday. Thanks to increased survivability they wanted to hold off on taunts. We had multiple wipes due to massively spread Flares despite correct positioning and tank transitions, basically instantly wiping us. We had already killed the boss before and just returned to the regular timing, with success.

Either we did something horribly wrong or there seems to be an anti-cheese solo tank failsafe built-in.

[Morae]

My guild still finds lots of trouble dealing with botanist even, if we killed him before we killed tichondrius.

We can kill tichondirus in 1-3 attemts usually.

Botanist? Well... that may not even happen. We have skipped him once or twice to try progress on star augur. Even if he do kill botanist, it is often taking more time than we would like to spend on it.

[Kalador]

Our pala tank attempted this last wednesday. Thanks to increased survivability they wanted to hold off on taunts. We had multiple wipes due to massively spread Flares despite correct positioning and tank transitions, basically instantly wiping us. We had already killed the boss before and just returned to the regular timing, with success.

Either we did something horribly wrong or there seems to be an anti-cheese solo tank failsafe built-in.

we did it this way Tuesday, i don't understand when you say correct tank transition. We have the monk tank taunt as we transitioning from p2 to p3 and he just sit there for all p3, the other tank is with the dps behind boss, when we are sub 25% and it begin to be spiky for the monk our other tank just sit on the other side of the room, as he has 2nd threat if the monk dies the boss just run to other side... this happened a couple a time sub 10% but we just killed the boss

[Dilemma90]

I would have to say Tich. Although Botanist wasn't too bad up to about midway phase 2 and on.

Tich can be summed up in a few mechanics

1. Soak rotation (Tank/Rogue/Tank/Rouge) was ours
2. Making sure people who get plague stand in the middle in a straight line (So then soakers can soak all the stacks of cennarion plague)
3. Having healer spamming the main soaker and tank on bloods, as well as dpsing bloods
4. Bat phase. Letting your top aoe dps get buffs first (Fury,Ret,WW,Balance)
5. Not breaking brands
6. Hiding early for pillars

and Botanist

1. Dodging solar collapse
2. dispel, handling fetters (adds)
3. soaking call of nights
4. handling spheres (kill skull first, 2-3 range slowly kill the 2nd, 3rd pops on own)
5. adjusting to phase 2 and the changes in mechanics (Spheres dropping fetters)
6. adjusting to phase 3 and having people soak collapse of the night, until they can suicide off either spores or their own collapse
7. not standing next to tank during flare (you get rooted)
8. staying focused during ph3


That's a rough write up, i hope this helps point your guild in the right direction.

[Emerald Archer]

Given the current state of the game, which encounter do you believe is easier overall an why? And which encounter has a greater compositional requirement?

Tich, IF you have enough people who can viably soak, and have the burst aoe dps (like a WW monk or something) so you can kill enough bats. If you can do those 2 things, the fight will be a joke.

If you're going to struggle with bats and/or soaking, then botanist is probably the way to go.

Do research the soaking thing though, quite a few specs can soak that aren't commonly mentioned (You can get a resto shaman to use a rez totem, have someone suicide soak it, then use the rez totem, which doesn't use up a brez, or a holy priest with the cloak the rezs them after they die, etc) or hell you can just use a brez if desperate and don't have the comp for it, just make sure people aren't dying to stupid shit.

[Deleted]

Tich if you have a rogue or 2, failing that a ret paladin, hunter, demon hunter etc. you need 2 of these classes to reliably do the soaking. resto shaman massively help for ankh totem. bota is a tricky dance of a fight at times, takes some time to learn for the average guild and people will wipe you by being in the wrong place/doing the wrong thing in p2/p3

[Chaelexi]

Tich, IF you have enough people who can viably soak, and have the burst aoe dps (like a WW monk or something) so you can kill enough bats. If you can do those 2 things, the fight will be a joke.

If you're going to struggle with bats and/or soaking, then botanist is probably the way to go.

Do research the soaking thing though, quite a few specs can soak that aren't commonly mentioned (You can get a resto shaman to use a rez totem, have someone suicide soak it, then use the rez totem, which doesn't use up a brez, or a holy priest with the cloak the rezs them after they die, etc) or hell you can just use a brez if desperate and don't have the comp for it, just make sure people aren't dying to stupid shit.

Feral druid with Luffa's

[Emerald Archer]

Tich if you have a rogue or 2, failing that a ret paladin, hunter, demon hunter etc. you need 2 of these classes to reliably do the soaking. resto shaman massively help for ankh totem. bota is a tricky dance of a fight at times, takes some time to learn for the average guild and people will wipe you by being in the wrong place/doing the wrong thing in p2/p3

Can hunters turtle it?

[Deleted]

Can hunters turtle it?

Any immunity can soak the seeker swarm, the hard part is surviving for 40sec with 4 stacks of carrion plague on you. Rogues are strongest for this since they can have feint up 100% of the time to reduce their dmg taken.