Spoiler the true leader of Kingdom of Lordaeron is alive! to me i was shocked

[Friendlyimmolation]

If you're implying that Arthas marred the Menethil legacy - his father was absolved of any guilt as you can read on his epitaph in the Undercity:

Here lies King Terenas Menethil II -- Last True King of Lordaeron.

Great were his deeds -- long was his reign -- unthinkable was his death.

"May the Father lie blameless for the deeds of the son.
May the bloodied crown stay lost and forgotten."

I'm sure his sister is disassociated from him as well.

I don't think a epitaph speaks for everyone or Calia wouldn't have had to go into hiding.

[Aquamonkey]

If you're implying that Arthas marred the Menethil legacy - his father was absolved of any guilt as you can read on his epitaph in the Undercity:

Here lies King Terenas Menethil II -- Last True King of Lordaeron.

Great were his deeds -- long was his reign -- unthinkable was his death.

"May the Father lie blameless for the deeds of the son.
May the bloodied crown stay lost and forgotten."

I'm sure his sister is disassociated from him as well.

"May the bloodied crown stay lost and forgotten." How is that not tainted? And these are the people who loved Terenas so much that they risked everything to make this monument.

[Tripzzz]

As much as they despise each other , I feel like Kel, if he ever showed his bony face again, would rather work with the forsaken then Bolvart, who he probably hates as a usurper.

No way would Kel'thuzad ever side with Slyvanus over Bolvar. Bolvar is the Lich King and a part of Arthas still inhabits the Lich King.

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[Friendlyimmolation]

No way would Kel'thuzad ever side with Slyvanus over Bolvar. Bolvar is the Lich King and a part of Arthas still inhabits the Lich King.

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Kel'thuzad most likely hates them both. The part of Arthas is obviously not in control. But to say he'd side with a lich king that pretty much spits on the cult of damned's mission is laughable. Atleast the Forsaken have a somewhat similar goal just on a smaller scale scourging humans out of Lordaeron is something Kel'thuzad could get behind more than being dark police or whatever the Ebon blade call themselves.

The most likely thing that would happen though is Kel'thuzad serving the legion, as they still have goals that most aligned with his and the cult's

[Tripzzz]

Kel'thuzad most likely hates them both. The part of Arthas is obviously not in control. But to say he'd side with a lich king that pretty much spits on the cult of damned's mission is laughable. Atleast the Forsaken have a somewhat similar goal just on a smaller scale.

Bolvar made the DKs wipe out the red dragons. He is basically the same lich King except he doesn't have much experience. Why wouldn't Kel'thuzad side with the Lich King? There is literally no reason not to. To say he would side with the Horde is even more laughable.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Bolvar made the DKs wipe out the red dragons. He is basically the same lich King except he doesn't have much experience. Why wouldn't Kel'thuzad side with the Lich King? There is literally no reason not to. To say he would side with the Horde is even more laughable.

Remember the intent of both Ner'zhul and Arthas? To wipe away all life on the planet. Sylvanas at-least wants to destroy all resistance in lordaeron, which makes her motive more similar to Arthas than Bolvar's is currently.

[Aquamonkey]

Bolvar made the DKs wipe out the red dragons. He is basically the same lich King except he doesn't have much experience. Why wouldn't Kel'thuzad side with the Lich King? There is literally no reason not to. To say he would side with the Horde is even more laughable.

A faction of Cult of the Damned already broke off from the Scourge under Bolvar.

[Tripzzz]

A faction of Cult of the Damned already broke off from the Scourge under Bolvar.

That's likely because he is still using training wheels. Once he gains full control of his new powers they will come back to him, or he will just enslave them.

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Remember the intent of both Ner'zhul and Arthas? To wipe away all life on the planet. Sylvanas at-least wants to destroy all resistance in lordaeron, which makes her motive more similar to Arthas than Bolvar's is currently.

Wat? Bolvar is acting shady as fuck. What resistance is there in Lordaeron? A handful of farmers? Why would Kel'thuzad give a fuck about that?

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I don't know where these corpses get off thinking they own, Lordaeron. The dead own nothing. Lordeaeron, belongs to the Alliance and no one else.

[Oneirophobia]

I was actually really mad she wasn't undead, and staunchly opposed to Sylvanas.

Even if it didn't go anywhere for a long time, setting up Calia as either a benevolent usurper -- or an evil one, to Sylvanas, would have been for an interesting story. Calia wouldn't have to win or anything, the point is just to have a fight.

And, if Sylvanas is going the "lich queen" route, it would've been nice to have a replacement for Sylvanas other than Kol'tira or Nathanos.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Even so Calia has done nothing at all to earn that position. They're not going to crown her out of the blue because Terenas sired her.

That tends to be the case with monarchies, and since she's the last surviving child of Terenas Menethil II (that we know of), the Crown is already hers by right. If she chooses to pursue it, her claim to the kingdom will be supported and recognized by the members of the Alliance as well as the other Houses of the Seven Kingdoms.

[Friendlyimmolation]

That's likely because he is still using training wheels. Once he gains full control of his new powers they will come back to him, or he will just enslave them.

IF or when Bolvar decides he wants to kill everything, Kel thuzad would join him.

Wat? Bolvar is acting shady as fuck. What resistance is there in Lordaeron? A handful of farmers? Why would Kel'thuzad give a fuck about that?

Because atleast with the forsaken, He'd be freely able to kill Alliance in Lordaeron, as opposed to working along side the factions if he served bolvar. Better one faction then two.

[Aquamonkey]

I don't know where these corpses get off thinking they own, Lordaeron. The dead own nothing. Lordeaeron, belongs to the Alliance and no one else.

The land is owned by whoever holds the deeds. Brill, Caer Darrow, Southshore, and Tarren Mill belong to the Barov family.

[Oneirophobia]

dark police

Looooooooooool. I'm gunna call them that now.

[Tripzzz]

IF or when Bolvar decides he wants to kill everything, Kel thuzad would join him.




Because atleast with the forsaken, He'd be freely able to kill Alliance in Lordaeron, as opposed to working along side the factions if he served bolvar. Better one faction then two.

What Alliance in Lordaeron? A handful of farmers???? Bolvar isn't working with the factions, he is just chilling in Northrend. The Dks are working with the factions but they broke into Undercity killed some forsaken and took Koltira back. Why would the ebon blade or Kel'thuzad side with the forsaken over the Lich King? To kill Alliance? Sounds like headcanon.

[MatadorMedia]

She's helping us to fight the Legion and other threats, and hey, maybe they'll have her want to reclaim her homeland in future. It seems a bit pointless to do any fighting for turf on Azeroth now when there are bigger fish to fry.

This. It's not exactly time for fighting over a castle when your planet is about to be destroyed. They're just putting Calia in-game so she doesn't come out of nowhere in the next expansion, when she actually does something useful.

[Friendlyimmolation]

What Alliance in Lordaeron? A handful of farmers???? Bolvar isn't working with the factions, he is just chilling in Northrend. The Dks are working with the factions but they broke into Undercity killed some forsaken and took Koltira back. Why would the ebon blade or Kel'thuzad side with the forsaken over the Lich King? To kill Alliance? Sounds like headcanon.

I'm not sure why you are being purposefully dense in this case. With the forsaken ,he has more opportunity to behave similar to the original intent of the scourge, by killing any Alliance in lordaeron, than he does under Bolvar who would have him fighting the legion, unable to do what he wants.

[Tripzzz]

I'm not sure why you are being purposefully dense in this case. With the forsaken ,he has more opportunity to behave similar to the original intent of the scourge, by killing any Alliance in lordaeron, than he does under Bolvar who would have him fighting the legion, unable to do what he wants.

Quit dodging the question, what humans in Lordaeron​? Why do you think Kel'thuzad only cares about killing humans? Is he some idiot? He has cared about the Legion since w3. Fighting the legion would be exactly what he would want. Like I said Kel'thuzad siding with the forsaken over the Lich King sounds like bad headcanon.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Quit dodging the question, what humans in Lordaeron​? Why do you think Kel'thuzad only cares about killing humans? Is he some idiot? He has cared about the Legion since w3. Fighting the legion would be exactly what he would want. Like I said Kel'thuzad siding with the forsaken over the Lich King sounds like bad headcanon.

Are you sleepy? Do you think the Alliance is going to leave Lordaeron alone? Did you forget about Gilnaes? Kel'thuzad and fighting the legion? He's a betrayer of humanity. Something tells me hes not going to alley with Bolvar and by extension submit himself to Neutrality.

Are you truly unable to understand the difference between Bolvar's scourge and Arthas'?

[Tripzzz]

Are you sleepy? Do you think the Alliance is going to leave Lordaeron alone? Did you forget about Gilnaes? Kel'thuzad and fighting the legion? He's a betrayer of humanity. Something tells me hes not going to alley with Bolvar and by extension submit himself to Neutrality.

Are you truly unable to understand the difference between Bolvar's scourge and Arthas'?

Where is the evidence? Alliance doesnt care about reclaiming Lordaeron.

You're the one comparing Slyvanus' forsaken to Arthas' scourge, and you think I am unable to understand the difference? Bad headcanon is bad.