House GOP Passed Trumpcare on Thursday

[unfilteredJW]

He thinks the world is flat. I think at this point you can ignore anything he says.

Also swiftboating.

[Adam Jensen]

Improved relations with other countriws

Getting rid of awful obamacare

Puahing for tax cuts and three tax brackets helping out the vast majority

Protecting our borders by getting rid of illegals


A lot better than obamas history of sucking the moddle easts dick. Race baiting black on white hate. And letting his batshit crazy wife go abuse children

And new spelling and grammar standards, courtesy of Betsy DeVos.

[Edge-]

And new spelling and grammar standards, courtesy of Betsy DeVos.

You'd better not be making fun of our Secretary of Educatoin and the historical events she's witnessed.

[jdbond592]

Make sure to call it Trumpcare. Everytime.

[Exeris]

Well we do have ACA so it can only get better right? There are counties in the US that people can't buy any insurance at all and they gotta pay the fine on top of it. Bottom of the barrel we are.

What the.. how can this be legal? I just felt like punching a politician.

[Kujako]

What the.. how can this be legal? I just felt like punching a politician.

Simple, some states chose to not expand medicaid as Obamacare said they should.

[Jastall]

No, let's not ignore it. Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote and it took a great deal of shady dealing to get enough Democrats to vote for it to make it pass. (Conservatives were talking about this at the time also.) It's not an exaggeration to describe it as being rammed down our throats.



That's exactly what Obamacare was designed to do: exacerbate a problem already created by government (though heavy regulation) to the point where it collapses while simultaneously convincing enough voters that medical care/insurance isn't a free market product, then make way for government to take over completely (single payer).

Conservatives have been warning about this for a long time.

Good thing the Republicans were on their best behavior for their own bill then. Oh wait.

And the ACA being the first step towards single-payer would probably be a good thing for you folks. Your system is broken, highest healthcare costs in the world per budget % and yet your citizens still have to pay through the nose or be forced into half-ruinous insurances, before and after the ACA. And while you have some of, if not the best care in the world in places, that's hardly generalized. Let's not act as if wanting to change that model is completely unreasonable.

Well, the alternative doesn't have to be single-payer of course. But something major's gotta change somewhere. And it's not ripping coverage from people and kicking pre-existing conditions to the curb that will fix any real problem.

[jakeic]

Simple, some states chose to not expand medicaid as Obamacare said they should.

thanks obama.

[Exeris]

Simple, some states chose to not expand medicaid as Obamacare said they should.

But why should the people living there and not those that govern be punished?

[Moralgy]

But why should the people living there and not those that govern be punished?

Those people living there vote in the people that do that, so it is on them for voting in people that care about politics more than them. You get what you vote for.

[Kujako]

But why should the people living there and not those that govern be punished?

They voted for the people governing them. And some even protested with signs like this.

[Lenonis]

This went on for months.

but it was jammed through.

Couple that with Pelosi famously saying "We have to pass it to find out what's in it"

I spy a debunked talking point.

and that the Democrats prevented Republicans from actually reading the contents of the bill on the congressional floor and it's self-evident that it was rammed down our throats.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. Whatever you say.

[Exeris]

Those people living there vote in the people that do that, so it is on them for voting in people that care about politics more than them.

Then those that do vote for the "right" people shouldn't get punished, either way it's still shitty behaviour for a politician to do such a thing and I still don't understand how it can be legal.

[Glorious Leader]

Simple, some states chose to not expand medicaid as Obamacare said they should.

To be clear these were largely states with republican governors.

[Narwal]

You know what , I hope it passes. I don't know how else anyone is going to get through to these moron's unless some of them or their friends/family start having hardships. Enjoy trump voters, you certainly earned it.

A vast majority of them remember what it was like before Obamacare. And they still voted to get rid of Obamacare.

The government has programs for the poor, the elderly, and the children. The people suffering from Obamacare are the majority of people who are now having their resources they put into healthcare insurance, taken from them and given to the few people who drain all of those resources. At the same time their plans no longer covered any of their costs, they are still being charged more, year to year.

I heard MSNBC ask on air a Democratic legislator from Virginia I believe.. "What do you think Republicans should do to fix Obamacare". His answer was "We need to get the young healthy people involved in the plans". His only fix for Obamacare... was to get you 20-somethings, who are already in tens of thousand in debt from universities for career fields that don't exist, taking minimum wage jobs, to pay more of your fair share. So... have fun with the democrats if you want to put them back in power.

I guess it's lose lose... if Republicans are in power, hope you're not the one in a million who has a lifelong ailment. If Democrats are in power, hope you're never a young person, just starting out your life, trying to start a career who finds yourself in debt.

[Fyersing]

The U.S. Constitution guarantees all citizens "negative rights", not "positive rights".

The "right" of having your health looked after and tended to by a profession is a "positive right" -- ergo, not a "right" at all.

[alexw]

Also swiftboating.

Let me guess, he saw someone in a boat swiftly go over the edge of the world (Niagara falls).

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Make sure to call it Trumpcare. Everytime.

No. SGA. Soylent Green Care.

[unfilteredJW]

Let me guess, he saw someone in a boat swiftly go over the edge of the world (Niagara falls).

I'll PM you as this is getting quite off topic.

[Teebone]

It's boring legal language. Most people would probably not even be able to retain the information if they read it.

This entire attack of "lulz they didn't even read it!!!111" is lazy and uninformed.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you actually going with that? It's boring? People get fucked because it's too boring to read? It is their JOB to represent the people and part of that JOB is making sure even the boring shit gets put through in a responsible manner! Even if their fucking STAFF reads it it is their JOB to fucking understand it! It can't all be golf games a Mar-A-Lago. Jesus fucking Christ. I can't believe the stupidity of this forum sometimes.

[Breccia]

The U.S. Constitution guarantees all citizens "negative rights", not "positive rights".

The "right" of having your health looked after and tended to by a profession is a "positive right" -- ergo, not a "right" at all.

You mean, like, voting and gun ownership?

It is hard to distinguish between "you can have a gun" and "the government can't stop you" as positive/negative. I get what you're saying, but it can be a semantic argument.