Trump Freezes Funding to Groups Fighting Against White Supremacism

[yoma]

Terrorists and extremists should be handled by law enforcement, not a random organization in society.

Law enforcement is a random organization in society, just one that was granted more authority and funding.

[Freighter]

Law enforcement is a random organization in society, just one that was granted more authority and funding.

No, it's a governmental branch.

[Rennadrel]

Special interest groups of any kind should never get government funding.

[Aphrel]

Are we fighting thought crime now?
Because if something illegal is going on shouldn't the law enforcement be the right "organization" to handle it?

[yoma]

No, it's a governmental branch.

"Local Police includes municipal, county, tribal, and regional police that derive authority from the local governing body that created it."

http://discoverpolicing.org/whats_like/?fa=types_jobs

Deriving authority from the local governing body that created it. Meaning, no different from Spanish Club, except more people contribute to and recognize local Police as an authority. Still a random organization.

[Spectral]

Former white supremacist Chuck Leek, who has since become a volunteer with Life After Hate - one of the organisations that was due to receive government funding - said the white supremacy movement was becoming more active.

I don't really know anything about this organization and they might be doing good work, but boy does this ever look like what a straight-up grift. This reminds me of fake ex-terrorist Kamal Saleem.

I'm not at all convinced that white supremacy groups are a big enough problem to specifically allocate $10 million/year over top of whatever the standard criminal investigation spending is.

[Freighter]

Are we fighting thought crime now?

Extremism isn't a thought crime. Extremists should be detained by the proper authorities and go through deradicalization programs. If they will not, they should be kept locked up as long as they harbor extremist beliefs.

[Rennadrel]

Why not? I mean that's pretty much how you stop a dangerous culture from spreading, is by spreading a better one yourself.

Don't tell that to Europe.

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"Local Police includes municipal, county, tribal, and regional police that derive authority from the local governing body that created it."

http://discoverpolicing.org/whats_like/?fa=types_jobs

Deriving authority from the local governing body that created it. Meaning, no different from Spanish Club, except more people contribute to and recognize local Police as an authority. Still a random organization.

Unless you are a black American who seem to think that all cops are racists.

[D3thray]

Oh boy, I'd love to hear the Trumpsters defend him on this one. No matter how you cut it, this was an idiotic move for Trump.

He's either a racist who supports those groups, or a moron who thinks those groups aren't as much of a danger (or more) than Islamic terror, or he gives the appears of being a racist who supports those groups. And that appearance is already burdened with the fact that he already has the appearance of supporting white supremacy.

If that was the entire story and all relevant information I might agree with you. You and I both know it isn't. Any sensational headline like that I wonder what they aren't saying.

[Spectral]

Extremism isn't a thought crime. Extremists should be detained by the proper authorities and go through deradicalization programs. If they will not, they should be kept locked up as long as they harbor extremist beliefs.

This is about as neat of a definition of "thought crime" as one could get. This application would look a lot like sluggish schizophrenia in the Soviet Union. How do we know they're mentally ill and need treatment? Well, look at them, they're so fucking crazy that they reject the formal state orthodoxy! You'd have to be crazy to do that.

[Thage]

Extremism isn't a thought crime. Extremists should be detained by the proper authorities and go through deradicalization programs. If they will not, they should be kept locked up as long as they harbor extremist beliefs.

That sounds uncomfortably like reeducation camps in countries like North Korea and the former Soviet Union. The point of funding anti-extremist groups is to allow the anti-extremists' message to reach the public in a more efficient manner than that of the extremists--for example, groups like Stormfront are often restricted to paper flyers and in-person promotion, while a group opposing them like Life After Hate could have used the funding to reach more eyes and ears through TV and internet ads.

There's also groups like the Aryan Nation, where many members joined out of a need for security and safety in numbers in prison, where they're radicalized once they've got their foot in the door, so-to-speak. Once they're out, groups like Life After Hate could use that funding to more efficiently reach them and give them an out, deradicalize them through patience and understanding from similar, reformed ex-supremacists who saw the error in their thinking. Just throwing them into reeducation camps is a gross human rights violation, and simply letting them run amok is how terrorists like Dylan Roof get groomed.

[Stormspellz]

Terrorists and extremists should be handled by law enforcement, not a random organization in society.

right, teaching people is such a waste of a preventive measure, just wait for them to slide all the way and then clean up the mess after words, it will work great. i mean whats the worst that a lone wolf can do now a days....oh wait...

[Freighter]

This is about as neat of a definition of "thought crime" as one could get. This application would look a lot like sluggish schizophrenia in the Soviet Union. How do we know they're mentally ill and need treatment? Well, look at them, they're so fucking crazy that they reject the formal state orthodoxy! You'd have to be crazy to do that.

Nope. We're more successful at deradicalizing people in singapore than countries like Australia. One big reason for that is because we take preemptive action(detainment, deradicilization programs, support to their families) where as in Australia they need to be about to commit a crime for them to intervene.

[Spectral]

Nope. We're more successful at deradicalizing people in singapore than countries like Australia. One big reason for that is because we take preemptive action where as in Australia they need to be about to commit a crime for them to intervene.

I rather like Singapore, but nation's that have a heavy cultural emphasis on freedom would not generally enjoy the heavy-handed measures employed there. Anything similar to what you're describing being implemented in the United States would be grossly unconstitutional and trigger immediate backlash.

[Sunseeker]

My true position? What is that supposed to mean? I used universities as an example of organizations that shouldn't be involved in the fight against extremism or terrorism. You think they're gonna talk an extremist out of their beliefs?

I think you've said a lot about what you think universities actually do.

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Nope. We're more successful at deradicalizing people in singapore than countries like Australia. One big reason for that is because we take preemptive action(detainment, deradicilization programs, support to their families) where as in Australia they need to be about to commit a crime for them to intervene.

Ah yes "preemptive action" we did that in Iraq, doesn't work out so well in the long run.

[Freighter]

Ah yes "preemptive action" we did that in Iraq, doesn't work out so well in the long run.

Works fine here. We have a far better rate of deradicalizing extremists than countries that only intervene when they're about to commit a crime.

[lordatomsk]

all i hear is you don't live in a free country and your country has one of the highest execution rates per ca-pita of any country in the world, its easy to hold the peace when you just murder anyone who disagree's with you ask Stalin, and Chairman Mao.

[Sunseeker]

Works fine here. We have a far better rate of deradicalizing extremists than countries that only intervene when they're about to commit a crime.

No, you have a far better rate of brainwashing people you find culturally unsuitable. If you think singapore has magical "extremist detectors" that the rest of the world lacks, you'd be wrong.

[Toppy]

Seriously though, how effective have these organizations proven to be?

I'm all for them if they are doing a deal of good. But if they're just being given money so politicians can point and say "Look how great we are" then the funding should be cut.

[alexw]

I know, that picture is not at all needed. I am sure that any homosexual or person who cares about gay rights already knows that Pence thinks we should be electrocuted until we become straight already, no need for reminders.

More the case that the image has little to do with the original article meaning that the OP put it in because it's what he'd like to seen done to gays. Given his posting history and all the things I pointed out its pretty obvious he's a Neo-Nazi himself. I got him to take a forum holiday though so at least it'll be a few weeks till he's back here posting more of his pro-Nazi propaganda.