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    Is there any form of official announcement or a second source on this proposed book? I can't seem to find one aside from the German Amazon site in the OP, and scarce little detail outside of that.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Two points.
    The Amani offensive was solidly against Quel'Thalas up until the elves persuaded Thoradin to assist them. Would they have attacked Arathor next? Most likely at the exhortation of the Zandalari they would; the Amani themselves though did not seem to have such a priority beyond testing Arathor's borders.
    The Arathi were settlers on ancient Troll land, they would have been wiped out afterwards and the humans didn't have a snowballchance in hell alone against them, they had severly underestimated them to begin with, only after they had met with the elven delegation did they realize they were screwed if Quel'thalas falls.

    The Chronicle presents the entire strategy as made by Thoradin himself. It's not like they lost horribly and then came with a desperate plan, the way I read it at least it seems like this was Thoradin's plan all along (to use his new magi against the trolls by luring them far from their borders and crushing them there) The elves are like side characters in their own war.
    It did not mean it that way, just that the humans had underestimated the amani and could not win the conventional way, luring the trolls into that trap was meant to open a solid two front war and getting the trolls stuck in the middle of it all and then wiping them out with all the magi, a plan that couldn't have worked as well without the elves.

    In essence both sides were crucial to beat the amani and it would be a shame if it really turned into a human wankfest with this novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazzorx View Post
    Have we ever had a novel be completely disassociated with current lore? Or would this be a theoretical first? (Barring a new xpac with Zandalar in it)
    Well, there was the War of the Ancients trilogy. And whatever the mess with Med'an was called.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Camthur View Post
    Three options I could see

    1. Completely separate from what we're doing in the game. (just fleshing out the lore/telling an interesting story)

    2. We're going to be fighting trolls somewhere (maybe a big island that may or may not be sinking)

    3. They are setting up some major event happening up north around the old Arathor lands. (which isn't that crazy considering they left Arathi mostly untouched way back in Cata)
    DK campaign stromgarde is retake by undead

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    Paul S. Kemp's Wikipedia, Twitter, and personal homepage have no mention of this book as being in progress - there's also no official Blizzard announcement of it in any form I can find, and no other Amazon sites have it listed. Anyone found a corroborating source for this?
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astalnar View Post
    Well, there was the War of the Ancients trilogy. And whatever the mess with Med'an was called.
    Med'an wasn't a novel introduced character. He came with the comic book series. So he's even a further step away from standard novel introduced additions.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Hopefully this will focus mostly on the trolls and elves and not turn into a masturbatory human wankfest.

    Amani could use some proper development considering they were just generic bad guys in WoW.

    Isn't Alleria supposed to be a hero from the Troll Wars? Maybe it'll focus on her to get people excited for her inevitable return. Assuming the book comes out before we find her.
    They were also anasterian killing trolls using Felo'melorn, Grand Magister Belo'vir and windrunner talanas

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Paul S. Kemp's Wikipedia, Twitter, and personal homepage have no mention of this book as being in progress - there's also no official Blizzard announcement of it in any form I can find, and no other Amazon sites have it listed. Anyone found a corroborating source for this?
    No Idea, but it wouldn't be the first time blizz released something in german much earlier, blood of the highborne was released in german months prior as well, for whatever reason.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddlewick View Post
    For some reason I feel like this will involve Vol'jin and his 'legacy' as mentioned in Blizzcon. Not sure if he actually did anything in this war or what not though. I barely know anything about troll wars lore
    if they are to implement sub races this can be very good to give lore to the Revantusk trolls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratyrel View Post
    Vol'jin is not only the wrong kind of troll, but also - I assume - far too young. The troll wars are around 3000 years ago in game.
    Set shortly before Legion, Vol'jin is reflecting on his role as Warchief and imbibes a loko spirit Loa voodoo McGuffin potion to see through the eyes of his great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather who just happened to hold a high rank within the Amani empire during the Troll Wars in order to gleam some wisdom on what it takes to be a leader.

    Spoiler: he realises he's shit.

    Bewm.
    Garrosh did nothing wrong.
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    The Amani should never go to war, if they had sought to maintain peace with their neighbors their giant empire would not have been destroyed


  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    The Amani should never go to war, if they had sought to maintain peace with their neighbors their giant empire would not have been destroyed
    Well to be fair both the high elves and the humans stole their ancient territory

    http://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Kalimdor_Chronicle.jpg

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Well to be fair both the high elves and the humans stole their ancient territory

    http://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Kalimdor_Chronicle.jpg
    Thousands of years in the past

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Thousands of years in the past
    And? It belonged to them at one point and they merely wanted it back to rebuild their society. Every last piece of land humans settle on today was once troll territory, makes you think. ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    And? It belonged to them at one point and they merely wanted it back to rebuild their society. Every last piece of land humans settle on today was once troll territory, makes you think. ^^
    And everything was part of the black empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    And everything was part of the black empire
    Which could give them an incentive trying to reclaim it one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Which could give them an incentive trying to reclaim it one day.
    Humans have more claim then the Black Empire. This argument is getting silly.
    #TeamLegion #UnderEarthofAzerothexpansion plz #Arathor4Alliance #TeamNoBlueHorde

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  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Humans have more claim then the Black Empire. This argument is getting silly.
    In fact no one has a claim, because ultimately might makes right on Azeroth, it would be just another reason to take or retake territory, the entirety of humanity simply sits on land that belonged to someone else, relatively recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    In fact no one has a claim, because ultimately might makes right on Azeroth, it would be just another reason to take or retake territory, the entirety of humanity simply sits on land that belonged to someone else, relatively recently.
    You and I aren't going to agree on this Human V Troll thing so I'm just gonna agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    You and I aren't going to agree on this Human V Troll thing so I'm just gonna agree to disagree.
    All I am saying is the humans can cry about lost territory all they want, just like the trolls, if they don't have the military strength to take that territory it simply does not belong to them. Lordaeron, Gilneas, Quel'thalas Zul'Aman are at the end of day just territory that can be taken by anyone and then belongs to those who took it.

    No one has a claim to anything. Having ancient ties to the territory is usually just a good motivator for conflict.
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