Is Odyn evil?

[Deleted]

He's not evil.

He's just an arrogant dick.

[Deleted]

Odyn is my current guess for last boss of the expansion.
We know it has to be someone strong cause we fight kil'jaeden in the previous raid.
We know it's someone we interacted with during lvling because a dev said it in an interview.
We know it's not Velen because all 3 Eredar leaders in 4 raid tiers is too much.
We know it's not Sargeras because he hasn't been established 1 patch away from the raid.
We know it's not Khadgar because we're not that lucky.

[Aucald]

I wouldn't say Odyn is evil, no. Most of the Keepers operate on a kind of blue/orange morality as opposed to your standard black/white - they are aloof and inscrutable, acting more akin to deities than as mortal individuals. Odyn is dedicated to his cause (the protection and preservation of Azeroth) and puts its successful execution at the forefront of anything else, up to and including what is best for Azeroth's mortal races. Odyn is also, well, kind of stupid in the "lacking social graces/no indoor voice" kind of way. He places extreme emphasis on odd things, but often acts in a manner that seems to contradict what you would expect of him.

[Raqubor]

Betraying Helya and killing her and turning her into a fallen Val'kyr, deeming the dragon aspects incompetent, trying to kill Skovald entire family in cold blood all the while talking about valor.

Why do warriors follow him again?

First of all: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Helya

"He told the vrykul that those who died a worthy death in battle would have their spirits brought to the Halls and given new bodies to fight as his Valarjar, which Odyn thought would be better defenders than the dragons. In order to retrieve the spirits of the deceased, Odyn would need vrykul to volunteer to become undead and take those spirits from the Shadowlands. The vrykul objected, and Helya tried to talk him out of it. Instead, Odyn transformed Helya into the first Val'kyr and ordered her to do the job for him.
Helya nursed resentment against Odyn for thousands of years, until the day Loken, a Keeper who had been influenced by Yogg-Saron, convinced her to turn against him. Helya used the same magic that had been used to lock the Elemental Plane to seal Odyn and his Valarjar army inside the Halls of Valor, and then decided herself to become the caretaker of vrykul souls in her new realm Helheim.[8]"

Odyn is NOT evil. He, as all gods or demi-gods, like to do whatever the fuck they like.
Basically, Odyn didn't agree with the decision of the Pantheon and he wanted to build an army for himself to defend Azeroth.
He forced his adopted daughter Helya to become the guide of fallen souls. Not much different from a parent forcing his child to become a doctor.

As we have seen, the dragon aspects were / are in fact, incompetent.

Warriors follow him, cause he provides them with unending feasts, hunting grounds and eternal battles and only the best of the best get to hang with him.

In old times it was common practice that the families of traitors were disgraced or murdered.
It was to prevent revenge or corruption and to set an example.

[Ielenia]

wat? I thought skovald killed his own family because of greed and hunger for power.

No, Odyn did that. Basically, there was a Vrykul prophecy about a girl with Skovald's blood who would lead the Tideskorn and turn from friend to foe in the war with the "burning foes" (Burning Legion). When Odyn found out about that prophecy, he ordered the death of everyone in Skovald's family. That didn't work out well, as Skovald's daughter - Sigryn - and her brother managed to escape. Later on, Sigryn found out about it from Eyir and succumbed to the Fel in her blood, turning into foe just as the prophecy stated.

Just to clear up the confusion: Skovald did kill his family, but it was the family he was born into, meaning he killed his parents and siblings to become god-king. He didn't kill the family he sired, or, in other words, his children.

[Elim Garak]

Odyn is the avatar of Sargeras

[Zyky]

wat? I thought skovald killed his own family because of greed and hunger for power.

Different families. Skovald killed his Father, Mother, and brothers. Odyn sent assassins to kill his Wife, Son, and Daughter after the events of Trial of Valor.

[Bahm]

deeming the dragon aspects incompetent

The biggest accomplishment of the aspects is saving the world from one of their own. So he's kind of right in this regard.

[Combatbutler]

The biggest accomplishment of the aspects is saving the world from one of their own. So he's kind of right in this regard.

Still more than Odyn achieved in all the time his army existed and he created a monster that enslaved the dead, yeah great going there and the Dragons did interfere from time to time tipping the scales in crucial conflicts. The aspects could have been much better, but they beat the Valayar in terms of accomplishments no matter how you look at it.

[Noomz]

Killing things in cold blood isn't a warrior thing to do, right?

Let's not forget blizzard is basing the class-fantasy on vikings; warriors known to rape and pillage half europe...
They could have gotten it worse tbh...

Everyone raped and pillaged in Europe. The northmen only got known for it because they did it to everyone else.

[Mehrunes]

Of course not. Odyn is just misunderstood. Maybe it's because mortal creatures can't comprehend VALOR as well as he does. Maybe because he's a deranged manchild put in a role that's that's too big for his feeble mind.

Odyn is NOT evil. He, as all gods or demi-gods, like to do whatever the fuck they like.
Basically, Odyn didn't agree with the decision of the Pantheon and he wanted to build an army for himself to defend Azeroth.
He forced his adopted daughter Helya to become the guide of fallen souls. Not much different from a parent forcing his child to become a doctor.

TIL forcing your child to become a doctor involves killing and resurrecting them and then enslaving their mind. Also, even forcing your child is a no go given how the basic rule of work is that it's voluntary.

As we have seen, the dragon aspects were / are in fact, incompetent.

And yet they succeeded at their prime task while Odyn's army did nothing of notice even before Helya locked them up.

[huth]

Big jerk, sure. Evil? Hardly.

Which isn't really that surprising. Odin wasn't exactly grandpa nice guy, either.

[micwini]

He is good, but he does evil things to do good. (can't explain, help me)

[Bahm]

Still more than Odyn achieved in all the time his army existed and he created a monster that enslaved the dead, yeah great going there and the Dragons did interfere from time to time tipping the scales in crucial conflicts. The aspects could have been much better, but they beat the Valayar in terms of accomplishments no matter how you look at it.

He saved the warrior player, gave them an army, helped warrior players acquire powerful artifacts, awarded us the aegis of aggramar, and still pushes back legion invasions.

In the same conflict one of the aspects got instantly corrupted and actually fought against us. His accomplishments fighting against the Black Empire alone far outweigh what the aspects have done to save this world.

[DarkTZeratul]

Still more than Odyn achieved in all the time his army existed and he created a monster that enslaved the dead, yeah great going there and the Dragons did interfere from time to time tipping the scales in crucial conflicts. The aspects could have been much better, but they beat the Valayar in terms of accomplishments no matter how you look at it.

Blame Helya and Loken for that. They sealed the Halls of Valor before any of the conflicts in which the Valarjar could have helped out.

[Lady Dragonheart]

He's somewhat of a jerk, but being a jerk doesn't make you evil at all. I'd say that his alignment is closer to good than evil.

[Connll]

He, as all gods or demi-gods, like to do whatever the fuck they like.

Just like evil people, right?

[Raetary]

he isnt evil.

just a self-centered cunt.

[Wildmoon]

He saved the warrior player, gave them an army, helped warrior players acquire powerful artifacts, awarded us the aegis of aggramar, and still pushes back legion invasions.

In the same conflict one of the aspects got instantly corrupted and actually fought against us. His accomplishments fighting against the Black Empire alone far outweigh what the aspects have done to save this world.

Our win against Xavius was possible because of Ysera.

[Sky High]

maybe not text book evil like we're used to in WoW but a giant gaping asshole for sure. also cuz Blizz makes us, If I had my way Warriors would have a counsel of the greats that directly oversee the effort to defeat the legion.