Next novel the Troll Wars!!

[Koryn123]

You have it backward. The Amani owned that land until the humans took it from them.


This is basically how the Forest Trolls were originally portrayed in Warcraft 2. Their 'hat' was Native Americans being attacked by Human Cowboys, which had since been dumped by the wayside come Warcraft 3 when Blizzard changed which Trolls were in the Horde (the Forest Trolls were, up until the split from the original concept to modern War3 and WoW, still part of the Horde).

And, no matter how some of the Community Managers at the time tried to portray it, Zul'jin in the Zul'Aman trailer still had all those traits from the Warcraft 2 concept.

The forest trolls left the Horde like right after Orgrimm abandoned the siege on Quel'thalas in WC2 tho. Or was that just a retcon later when the lore was expanded upon?

Thrall invited the forest trolls to be allies, but they refused because the Horde failed them in the Second War. Only the Revantusk Tribe joined the Horde again, and they saw the rest of the tribes as traitors.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You have it backward. The Amani owned that land until the humans took it from them.

What happened was basically The Elves fought with the Trolls and eventually Quel'thalas asked the Arathor Tribe to help them out and well the Amani didn't exactly win their fight.

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You have it backward. The Amani owned that land until the humans took it from them.

Nope. The Amani controlled the Northern Lordaeron, leaving the human tribes with the South-Western Lordaeron. If the trolls controlled all Lordaeron, the humankind wouldn't even be able form their tribes.

It were the elves that pushed the trolls to human lands, forcing Thoradim and the Arathi to conquer all the tribes and unite them against the growing attacks of the Amani.

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Have we ever had a novel be completely disassociated with current lore? Or would this be a theoretical first? (Barring a new xpac with Zandalar in it)

This is about Night Elves versus Trolls. Elves feature heavily in this expansion.

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Whoever and already aware of the next expansion

We are? What will the next expansion be? Have I missed an announcement?

[Combatbutler]

Nope. The Amani controlled the Northern Lordaeron, leaving the human tribes with the Western Lordaeron. If the trolls controlled all Lordaeron, the humankind wouldn't even be able form their tribes.

It were the elves that pushed the trolls to human lands.

The elves didn't push the trolls into human lands. There were no human lands in that region, until after the collapse of the night elven empire. The humans simply took ancient troll and elf land and settled there.

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The elves didn't push the trolls into human lands. There were no human lands in that region, until after the collapse of the night elven empire. The humans simply took ancient troll and elf land and settled there.

Yes, but the land was abandoned. Telling that the humans invaded it is wrong, when it were the trolls that started raiding into now-human territory.

[Combatbutler]

Yes, but the land was abandoned. Telling that the humans invaded it is wrong, when it were the trolls that started raiding into now-human territory.

Saying the elves pushed them into human lands is flat out wrong though, they carved out the borders of Quel'thalas, but that did not cause the troll raids on humans.

The trolls simply considered the ancient territories theirs, it is no different from gilneans trying to retake Gilneas for example, because it once belonged to their people. The humans couldn't have really known but they were sitting on land a superpower considered their turf.

The humans invaded the troll territories after the troll wars and took 2/3 of its remaining territory for themselves.

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Saying the elves pushed them into human lands is flat out wrong though, they carved out the borders of Quel'thalas, but that did not cause the troll raids on humans.

The trolls simply considered the ancient territories theirs, it is no different from gilneans trying to retake Gilneas for example, because it once belonged to their people. The humans couldn't have really known but they were sitting on land a superpower considered their turf.

The humans invaded the troll territories after the troll wars and took 2/3 of its remaining territory for themselves.

The Amani were pushed all the way into Zul'Aman by the High Elves and plotted their revenge for centuries. The humans were hunter-gatherers tribes right until the Amani cameback, with the Arathi being the one living close to North Lordaeron. It were the Zandalari that changed the game, giving the needed power to the Amani to restart the revenge war against the High Elves and the more aggressive raids into the human lands.

It's all in Chronicle Vol. 1. It was the elven invasion that changed the entire map.

[Combatbutler]

The Amani were pushed all the way into Zul'Aman by the High Elves and plotted their revenge for centuries. The humans were hunter-gatherers tribes right until the Amani cameback, with the Arathi being the one living close to North Lordaeron. It were the Zandalari that changed the game, giving the needed power to the Amani to restart the war against the High Elves and the more aggressive raids into the human lands.

The high elves pushed the Amani on the other side of the elrendar and kept them at bay their with their runestones. They did not push further they had their kingdom, the trolls then studied them for thousands of years hoping for revenge, the Zandalari gave them the opportunity. But The amani still controlled pretty much what would later become the kingdom of Lordaeron and the modern ghostlands up until 2.800 years ago and raided the humans regardless of the elves.

It's all in Chronicle Vol. 1. It was the elven invasion that changed the entire map.

Yes the elves took the troll territory up until the elrendar, the trolls still controlled pretty much the rest of the northern part of the continent, the humans pretty much only had the arathi highlands and the fortress in alterac, and before that they didn't even have that being scattered tribes of nomads, who were killed by trolls and most importantly each other.

[Koryn123]

This is about Night Elves versus Trolls. Elves feature heavily in this expansion.

High Elves, not Night Elves. There are two accounts of how the Highborne became the High Elves. One from in-game books (and this might be in Chronicle too, I'm not sure) where the Night Elven Highborne got to Lordaeron, and over time, their link to the Well of Eternity at Mount Hyjal weakened and broke, and they became shorter and their skin lost its purple hue. That was 7,000 years before the Dark Portal opened.

The other account is from the 8-page full-color prequel comic from the special edition of the Sunwell Trilogy manga. It shows Dath'remar and his fellow night elven Highborne at a lake in a forested location that would later be known as the Isle of Quel'danas. They have a brief exchange about what if Malfurion and the others in Kalimdor find out, to which Dath'remar says they're too far away to bother them, and he pours a vial of water from the original Well of Eternity into the lake, creating the Sunwell, and when the Night Elven Highborne tethered themselves to its power, its energies immediately affected them, turning them into the forms we see today with the pale skin and human-like height.

I'm not sure which account is canon. I kind of prefer the latter, but that's just me.


Anyway, the troll wars didn't begin until the elves built Silvermoon on an ancient troll city (that was abandoned) and expanded their borders, coming into contact with larger groups of trolls, who they came to blows with. And this only happened after the Sunwell was created, so they were high elves long before the Troll Wars began. They may have been technically night elves when they first came in contact with them in Tirisfal, but the official conflict didn't begin until they had established Quel'thalas.

It's essentially the same issue as the European settlers vs. the native Americans. The settlers don't understand the significance of a particular area to the natives, build their communities there, and the natives take umbrage. A misunderstanding where both sides consider the other to be less than human with an incompatible culture to their own, and there's a lot of bloodshed.

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The high elves pushed the Amani on the other side of the elrendar and kept them at bay their with their runestones. They did not push further they had their kingdom, the trolls then studied them for thousands of years hoping for revenge, the Zandalari gave them the opportunity. But The amani still controlled pretty much what would later become the kingdom of Lordaeron and the modern ghostlands up until 2.800 years ago and raided the humans regardless of the elves.

Which was my original answer to Ramz, that the humans didn't invaded the trolls lands and provoked the Troll Wars, but it was the Amani push into South-Western Lordaeron (yes, I wrote Western Lordaeron wrongly before).

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It's essentially the same issue as the European settlers vs. the native Americans. The settlers don't understand the significance of a particular area to the natives, build their communities there, and the natives take umbrage. A misunderstanding where both sides consider the other to be less than human with an incompatible culture to their own, and there's a lot of bloodshed.

It's different, the elves knew and fought trolls before.

[Combatbutler]

Which was my original answer to Ramz, that the humans didn't invaded the trolls lands and provoked the Troll Wars, but it was the Amani push into South-Western Lordaeron (yes, I wrote Western Lordaeron wrongly before).

The troll wars would have happened regardless of the elves though, the Zandalari wanted to rebuild the ancient empires and influenced the Amani, which would have happened even if the high elves had remained on kalimdor, meaning they would have expanded into their old turf wiping out anything on there and without the elven kingdom to bear the brunt of the Amani assault, not to mention their knowledge. Humanity would have been easily crushed.

Humanity owes pretty much its survival and ultimately rise to power to the elves for picking a fight with the amani distracting them.

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The troll wars would have happened regardless of the elves though, the Zandalari wanted to rebuild the ancient empires and influenced the Amani, which would have happened even if the high elves had remained on kalimdor, meaning they would have expanded into their old turf wiping out anything on there and without the elven kingdom to bear the brunt of the Amani assault, not to mention their knowledge. Humanity would have been easily crushed.

Humanity owes pretty much its survival and ultimately rise to power to the elves for picking a fight with the amani distracting them.

Pretty much, but humans weren't the cause of it.

[Combatbutler]

Pretty much, but humans weren't the cause of it.

Neither were the high elves, the cause was the longing for old grandeur and power, so pretty much the trolls .High elves and humans were merely in the way of that dream.

[Rhlor]

The Amani were pushed all the way into Zul'Aman by the High Elves and plotted their revenge for centuries. The humans were hunter-gatherers tribes right until the Amani cameback, with the Arathi being the one living close to North Lordaeron. It were the Zandalari that changed the game, giving the needed power to the Amani to restart the revenge war against the High Elves and the more aggressive raids into the human lands.

It's all in Chronicle Vol. 1. It was the elven invasion that changed the entire map.

In fact the elves did not push anyone to isle of queldanas and silvermoon were uninhabited, The trolls attack because they considered the land of silvermoon sacred and were defeated but the elves did not advance beyond the eternalsong woods.

[Paula Deen]

We are? What will the next expansion be? Have I missed an announcement?

Really lit reading comprehension. Go read my post again.

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Christie Golden is one of my favorite Warcraft novel authors.

Let me guess, you're a fan of Knaak. XD

OT: I am hopeful for this book. Never been huge into Troll lore, but this might help spark some interest.

Im not fan of Knaak. But Golden writing is boring and stupid. Like for 10y old girls

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Really lit reading comprehension. Go read my post again.

And how can you know whether we will know about the next expansion at that time? We don't know about it now. And there is no guarantee we will know about it by the end of the year. You don't know what their plans are.

[Traveler Voltin]

Im not fan of Knaak. But Golden writing is boring and stupid. Like for 10y old girls

Least her warlock inserted character cant flirt with varian anymore

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can have high elves and Revantusk trolls as Subrace.Auric is the highelf representative and Elder Torntusk the leader of the Revantusk

I doubt that. I think after all the possibilities that Demon Hunter design opened, the "Sub-Race" issue will probably be resolved through more appearance options. If Blizz implemented body format choices like in SWTOR and added more skin tones, one could easily make a Forest Troll without adding a new race. And the only difference between Bloodelves and High Elves is the eye color. That way, they could also implement upright-Orcs which was demanded by some.