So how are your games going lately? [megathread]

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A Widowmaker doing what Janz said on offense on maps like King's Row means you almost always cap the fight unless everyone else is imcompetent and don't know how to capitalize, which is where you should be picking her, I don't think anyone is going to argue her viability on KotH.

Also a Winston jumping a Widowmaker means he's also away from the point which means Widowmaker just took a ton of pressure away from your squad which should also help with capping.

Exactly. That first pick is THE most important kill in the entire fight, and if a Widowmaker can pull it off, it's not a bad pick. Also for a Winston to counter a good Widowmaker, he actually needs to use 2 leaps and like 10+ seconds to chase her. That's 10+ seconds Widow can actually still use to get few shots off, while Winston is 100% useless.

But anyway, I'm getting a feeling that woozie21 is actually more interested in trying to flame Jessicka and his/her ability to play Widowmaker than give any real thought to this, as pathetic as that sounds like, so there's probably not much point in even trying to explain these things to him.

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Again, I don't mind good Widow's. I am just saying that 99% of the Widow's aren't good. They are shit, burdens for the team and overall just selfish players that make their team lose because they want to play the "purple hot lady with the big gun".

So are 99% of the Junkrats, Mccrees, Hanzos, Genjis, Anas, Bastions, Torbjörns, Pharahs, Mercys and Tracers. I don't see why you'd need to have some kind of special vendetta against Widowmaker players. I'd rather have a Widowmaker "main" play that Widowmaker any day over say Genji or Hanzo if he/she is not comfortable playing those.

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That Winston will kill the Widow within seconds then just jump back. The most she has done is bought the team a 5 second window were the fight was 5v5 before it was turned into a 5v6 with a winston with 50% ult charge being back in the fight.

That Winston jumps on Widow. Widow possibly still shoots couple shots. Then she hooks to a nearby health pack, boom full health. She takes couple more shots. Winston jumps again and possibly after that second jump finally managed to kill Widow. During that time Widow can have easily have gotten another pick, or hell even killed the Winston if Winston was stupid enough to just chase her instead of hiding after first jump.

Not to mention the Ana in Widowmaker's team has probably slept Winston anyway at this point.

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Exactly. That first pick is THE most important kill in the entire fight, and if a Widowmaker can pull it off, it's not a bad pick. Also for a Winston to counter a good Widowmaker, he actually needs to use 2 leaps and like 10+ seconds to chase her. That's 10+ seconds Widow can actually still use to get few shots off, while Winston is 100% useless.

But anyway, I'm getting a feeling that woozie21 is actually more interested in trying to flame Jessicka and his/her ability to play Widowmaker than give any real thought to this, as pathetic as that sounds like, so there's probably not much point in even trying to explain these things to him.

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So are 99% of the Junkrats, Mccrees, Hanzos, Genjis, Anas, Bastions, Torbjörns, Pharahs, Mercys and Tracers. I don't see why you'd need to have some kind of special vendetta against Widowmaker players. I'd rather have a Widowmaker "main" play that Widowmaker any day over say Genji or Hanzo if he/she is not comfortable playing those.

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That Winston jumps on Widow. Widow possibly still shoots couple shots. Then she hooks to a nearby health pack, boom full health. She takes couple more shots. Winston jumps again and possibly after that second jump finally managed to kill Widow. During that time Widow can have easily have gotten another pick, or hell even killed the Winston if Winston was stupid enough to just chase her instead of hiding after first jump.

Not to mention the Ana in Widowmaker's team has probably slept Winston anyway at this point.

I'm not flaming him, I am using him as an example of why people dislike Widowmakers & Hanzo's in leagues I am in (plat, getting to diamond slowly).
You're also saying so do 99% of the other champs but they don't.
Everyone can play a Soldier to a decent level, it has a much lower skill cap and you can almost always be useful. That just isn't the case for Widow's & Hanzo's to a degree.
Widow's/Hanzo's in Silver/Gold/Plat (I started Comp this season and got placed in Silver and climbed to Plat. I am now 2873 I think which is half way to Diamond) are just not good players and when one is picked it usually means a loss for that team. Its not difficult to understand.
In my 32 hours of Comp this season I met 1 good sniper player that really turned team fights for us. 1 out of 10's/100's.

[GennGreymane]

Im gettin pretty good with Winston.

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Im gettin pretty good with Winston.

Same, close to 60% win rate thanks to all the shitty snipers out there.

[GennGreymane]

Same, close to 60% win rate thanks to all the shitty snipers out there.

SO many of them in quick play lol. Since I am doing finals i've been away from comp.

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SO many of them in quick play lol. Since I am doing finals i've been away from comp.

It's the same in comp.
Every other game you get a sniper in one of the teams, 99% of the time they refuse to switch or do anything and 99% of the time the team the sniper is on is the losing team .
Can't get away from them.
Even in 3v3 arcade there is a sniper on one of the teams every game.

[GennGreymane]

It's the same in comp.
Every other game you get a sniper in one of the teams, 99% of the time they refuse to switch or do anything and 99% of the time the team the sniper is on is the losing team .
Can't get away from them.
Even in 3v3 arcade there is a sniper on one of the teams every game.

They wanna provve they are not the 99% lol

[proralph]

Playing Tracer all the way and loving her more!

[Traveler Voltin]

I have just learned there is a phone app that i will tell you who counters who and all that stuff

[Woobels]

I have just learned there is a phone app that i will tell you who counters who and all that stuff

Take a lot of that stuff with a grain of salt.

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Solo q'd Zen from 2500 to 2997... Ofc I join 3 games in a row with someone running "new meta" hanzo.. Get smashed, they refuse to swap, despite killing nothing.. Drop to 2900... Le sigh...

[Woobels]

Solo q'd Zen from 2500 to 2997... Ofc I join 3 games in a row with someone running "new meta" hanzo.. Get smashed, they refuse to swap, despite killing nothing.. Drop to 2900... Le sigh...

Still means you're going up right, 100 more to go and you're in Diamond, well done.

[Freighter]

20 points off platinum now. Thought I'd get it after the previous game but it ended in a draw, was a pretty intense game. Never seen it be so even between the teams, usually it's one-sided stomps.

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Platinum now.

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Had a rather strange game on Hanamura, both teams had a Widowmaker throughout the entire game, and both Widowmaker's seemed to only want to kill each other. Basically felt like a 5v5, if they hadn't had a Widowmaker we would probably have lost big time. As it was, our five managed to coordinate much better than their five, and we took both points fairly quickly and held on the second point for 6 minutes and 30 seconds not letting them through.

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Solo q'd Zen from 2500 to 2997... Ofc I join 3 games in a row with someone running "new meta" hanzo.. Get smashed, they refuse to swap, despite killing nothing.. Drop to 2900... Le sigh...

So, you basically first won 15 games against those "new meta" Hanzos (Surely the wins were purely your skill though, not opponent teams having such players) but after losing 3 with them in YOUR team, it's worth mentioning.

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So, you basically first won 15 games against those "new meta" Hanzos (Surely the wins were purely your skill though, not opponent teams having such players) but after losing 3 with them in YOUR team, it's worth mentioning.

I didn't say I went up linearly I.e. Winning every game in a row, in fact generally I'd win 3 or 4 games then get matched with a total joke team (usually some boosted gold guy Insta locking widow/genji and being terrible) and losing so missing out on the bonus points.

My point was I was 2993 before the patch, played 3 games after and ran into Hanzo players who were terrible. Not played since, due to exams.

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Had a rather strange game on Hanamura, both teams had a Widowmaker throughout the entire game, and both Widowmaker's seemed to only want to kill each other.

It's actually very important to deal with the opponents Widowmaker in that case. If you start to shoot at their "ground troops" there is a very real chance the other Widowmaker will take that opportunity to take you out, making it 5vs6.

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I didn't say I went up linearly I.e. Winning every game in a row, in fact generally I'd win 3 or 4 games then get matched with a total joke team (usually some boosted gold guy Insta locking widow/genji and being terrible) and losing so missing out on the bonus points.

My point was I was 2993 before the patch, played 3 games after and ran into Hanzo players who were terrible. Not played since, due to exams.

Yea, I figured that. But still, I'd say you've (Just as everyone else) won just as many games due to those "new meta" Hanzos (Or Junkrat mains, onetrick Torbs, you name it) as you've lost. It's just funny how usually when people complain about it on mmo-champion never think about it that way.

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It's actually very important to deal with the opponents Widowmaker in that case. If you start to shoot at their "ground troops" there is a very real chance the other Widowmaker will take that opportunity to take you out, making it 5vs6.

Perhaps, but neither Widow coordinated with her team and neither had any real impact on the game at all. We capped their points as a group of 5 working and moving together and held the point as a group of 5 sticking together and helping each other out. Both Widowmaker's were off somewhere to the side, not really having much of an effect on anything.

She wasn't even on voice and refused to communicate to anything we said.

[GennGreymane]

A good widow can dominate a game

problem is

you need to be a very good widow.

[Jessicka]

A good widow can dominate a game

problem is

you need to be a very good widow.

And/or playing against vastly inferior players. Which won't last long, because MMR. This is why people think that she falls short, realistically, SR for SR, she'll have as much impact as any other hero, but ends up so rarely meeting the expectation that she 'should' dominate.