Trump Signs EO to Look Into Voter Fraud and Suppression

[ati87]

Except that's even worse than obamacare. We want a free market. You want socialism go to venezelua

Funny fact (this is a funny fact unlike that of nixon), Cuba has a better healthcare system then the US..

And healthcare needs to be good, throwing out random terms like ''free market'' does what exactly? What is you're idea of better healthcare system? A system where the government has no role in it and the so called ''free market'' decides how things work out? DO you think that's cheaper on society in a system like that?

[Ripster42]

Except that's even worse than obamacare. We want a free market. You want socialism go to venezelua

Free markets don't work when any of a myriad of conditions break down, two of them being inelastic supply or demand. In the case of healthcare there is an inelastic demand. If you need healthcare, you'll pretty much pay anything to get it, and suppliers know it.

[Orbitus]

How will I identify myself when registering to vote?
The voter registration application asks for your driver license or California identification card number, or you can use the last four numbers on your Social Security card. If you do not have a driver license, California identification card or Social Security card, you may leave that space blank. Your county elections official will assign a number to you that will be used to identify you as a voter.

Will I need to bring identification?
In most cases, California voters are not required to show identification at their polling place. However, it is a good idea to bring identification with you when you vote for the first time. A poll worker may ask to see your identification if you mailed your voter registration application and did not include your driver license number, California identification number, or the last four digits of your Social Security number.

A copy of a recent utility bill, the county Voter Information Guide you received from your county elections office, or another document sent to you by a government agency are examples of acceptable forms of identification. Other examples include your passport, driver license, official California identification card, or student identification card.

And i do know what it takes and it is not hard I know 3 that did it in Tulare county.

Yeah no, you have no fucking clue what it takes to register to vote, or know that it is more than just saying your name at the check in for voting. Its a bit more complicated than that.

You say you know 3 that did it, but cannot site any evidence that they did it. I can say a lot of shit and not back it up too.

[Shalcker]

The head of this commission is a Voter ID pusher. So, there's that.

There is no widespread voter fraud. This commission will get nothing but states yelling at them.

Oh, so they'll find a few isolated cases then push national Voter ID laws based on that? While obviously making it impossible to get those IDs for immigrants or other "undesirables"?

Sounds like plan Republicans should have no qualms enacting.

[Orbitus]

Oh, so they'll find a few isolated cases then push national Voter ID laws based on that? While obviously making it impossible to get those IDs for immigrants or other "undesirables"?

Sounds like plan Republicans should have no qualms enacting.

And then they get struck down by the courts like every other voter ID law has.

[Dsc]

need an ID to exercise my constitutional right to buy a gun.
I have no problem with needing an ID to vote.
It should be national with a bio-metric ( thumbprint) too!

What is going on is protecting the integrity of the vote. Isn't that something we should all consider of paramount importance?

There are thousands of cases of proven ( yes with convictions too! cases of fraud)
The Leftist's heads are exploding because it's true.

I'll be helping by submitting my grandma's and great-grandma's death certificates for review.

For decades they would get their free breakfast at the church in Chicago, then get driven around to polling station(s).
They have been dead for 10-20 years. I guarantee their names will pop up as having voted. recently:P
What they are going to do, which is something the prior administration refused to do, is cross reference green card holders with the voter rolls. I'm sure there won't be "surprises"
Maybe require that to vote you go the same process as you would to purchase a firearm in the place of your residence?

Permit to buy a gun, permit to vote.
Waiting period to pick up your gun, waiting period to come back and vote.
Anything that would disqualify you to be able to own a firearm should also disqualify you for voting. Why do we tolerate restrictions on the right to arms that we won't tolerate on the privilege to vote?
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ees7HbPPAfU

[Zoibert the Bear]

Every day that passes I feel the conspiracy theory that Trump is a Democrat double agent meant to destroy the Republican party becomes more rational.

Trump actually works for Al Gore. Plot-twist.

[Calfredd]

Trump actually works for Al Gore. Plot-twist.

M. Night Shyamalan would be proud.

[Deleted]

It would fine if IDs were free and readily available. They arent.

IDs should be easily replaced. You ever been to a DMV?

People who push voter id rarely mean free ids thats wont hinder/surpess the working class.

I don't understand how you can get by w/o identification in the US, here in Sweden you are regularly asked to show ID, whenever you buy alcohol, redbull, tobacco etc.

And an ID isn't free either. So I don't understand this argument.

[Orbitus]

I don't understand how you can get by w/o identification in the US, here in Sweden you are regularly asked to show ID, whenever you buy alcohol, redbull, tobacco etc.

And an ID isn't free either. So I don't understand this argument.

You need ID to buy Redbull? And as for everything you just listed, those aren't rights in the US. Voting is. There is also language in the constitution and supreme court cases that say that you cannot put a price on voting. Requiring IDs that aren't free, is essentially a poll tax. AKA against the constitution.

[Deleted]

You need ID to buy Redbull? And as for everything you just listed, those aren't rights in the US. Voting is. There is also language in the constitution and supreme court cases that say that you cannot put a price on voting. Requiring IDs that aren't free, is essentially a poll tax. AKA against the constitution.

Huh alright, I guess they should be free in the US then. Why arent they?

And yeah most stores require an id to buy energy drinks as they are informally age restricted for 15+

[Deleted]

need an ID to exercise my constitutional right to buy a gun.
I have no problem with needing an ID to vote.
It should be national with a bio-metric ( thumbprint) too!

What is going on is protecting the integrity of the vote. Isn't that something we should all consider of paramount importance?

There are thousands of cases of proven ( yes with convictions too! cases of fraud)
The Leftist's heads are exploding because it's true.

I'll be helping by submitting my grandma's and great-grandma's death certificates for review.

For decades they would get their free breakfast at the church in Chicago, then get driven around to polling station(s).
They have been dead for 10-20 years. I guarantee their names will pop up as having voted. recently:P
What they are going to do, which is something the prior administration refused to do, is cross reference green card holders with the voter rolls. I'm sure there won't be "surprises"
Maybe require that to vote you go the same process as you would to purchase a firearm in the place of your residence?

Permit to buy a gun, permit to vote.
Waiting period to pick up your gun, waiting period to come back and vote.
Anything that would disqualify you to be able to own a firearm should also disqualify you for voting. Why do we tolerate restrictions on the right to arms that we won't tolerate on the privilege to vote?
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ees7HbPPAfU

You do know if there's fraud on one side, there's likely to be fraud on the other side in equal amounts, that's how it usually works.

Would be quite funny if the fraud ends up being on the republican side, as many Trump supporters on twitter were explaining how to get double votes going and what kind of hacks they could use to achieve it, whether or not it worked, who knows, but it would hilarious nonetheless.

[Machismo]

Didn't Trump already promise groundbreaking proof of widespread voter fraud? I guess it'll arrive with the groundbreaking news on Obama being Kenyan. Why do people still believe this asshat?

[Deleted]

You need ID to buy Redbull? And as for everything you just listed, those aren't rights in the US. Voting is. There is also language in the constitution and supreme court cases that say that you cannot put a price on voting. Requiring IDs that aren't free, is essentially a poll tax. AKA against the constitution.

Only stupid countries put an age restriction on Red bull, because a highly caffeinated coffee has double/triple the energetic value of a red bull anyway.

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Didn't Trump already promise groundbreaking proof of widespread voter fraud? I guess it'll arrive with the groundbreaking news on Obama being Kenyan. Why do people still believe this asshat?

He's trying to diverse attention from the Russia probe to the voter fraud probe. Too bad he doesn't know what happened to the last president that fired an FBI direction with a direct investigation into the President and his political party regarding illegal ties and illegal activities with foreign enemies. Guess what, he got impeached not so long after. Mid term elections can't come soon enough, let's hope the democrats and all independents come together to get rid of Trump.

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Every day that passes I feel the conspiracy theory that Trump is a Democrat double agent meant to destroy the Republican party becomes more rational.

The GOP is destroying itself anyway, don't need Trump to help push that agenda, he's just speeding it up.

[primalmatter]

Is this really a attempt to divert attention or simply get things done?

At this point people need to show evidence it is getting a bit tiring..

[Kiri]

need an ID to exercise my constitutional right to buy a gun.
I have no problem with needing an ID to vote.
It should be national with a bio-metric ( thumbprint) too!

What is going on is protecting the integrity of the vote. Isn't that something we should all consider of paramount importance?

There are thousands of cases of proven ( yes with convictions too! cases of fraud)
The Leftist's heads are exploding because it's true.

I'll be helping by submitting my grandma's and great-grandma's death certificates for review.

For decades they would get their free breakfast at the church in Chicago, then get driven around to polling station(s).
They have been dead for 10-20 years. I guarantee their names will pop up as having voted. recently:P
What they are going to do, which is something the prior administration refused to do, is cross reference green card holders with the voter rolls. I'm sure there won't be "surprises"
Maybe require that to vote you go the same process as you would to purchase a firearm in the place of your residence?

Permit to buy a gun, permit to vote.
Waiting period to pick up your gun, waiting period to come back and vote.
Anything that would disqualify you to be able to own a firearm should also disqualify you for voting. Why do we tolerate restrictions on the right to arms that we won't tolerate on the privilege to vote?
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ees7HbPPAfU

The difference is that not having a gun (should) not affect, say, whether you have a reasonably paying job or healthcare. Not voting does. Plus, guns cost money, voting should not - the constitution does guarantee both rights, but does not give you the X dollars necessary to buy a gun.

Oh and you guarantee that? So if it turns out they had not been zombie voting, you surely will come here and tell us, right?

[Machismo]

Is this really a attempt to divert attention or simply get things done?

At this point people need to show evidence it is getting a bit tiring..

Well, since he made a claim about voter fraud, maybe Trump should back it up. Where is the evidence of 3-5 million illegal voters? At this point, he needs to show evidence... it is getting a bit tiring.

[primalmatter]

Well, since he made a claim about voter fraud, maybe Trump should back it up. Where is the evidence of 3-5 million illegal voters? At this point, he needs to show evidence... it is getting a bit tiring.

There is the whole Detroit voters being counted three times in areas... He doesn't have to claim fraud there has been evidence it transpired on some level. Ironically from investigations into if Trump committed fraud...

[Machismo]

There is the whole Detroit voters being counted three times in areas... He doesn't have to claim fraud there has been evidence it transpired on some level. Ironically from investigations into if Trump committed fraud...

He and is administration claimed 3-5 million illegal voters, has he backed up that claim? You should be furious at him for bullshitting you. Surely you also want to demand proof from him, right?

[primalmatter]

He and is administration claimed 3-5 million illegal voters, has he backed up that claim? You should be furious at him for bullshitting you. Surely you also want to demand proof from him, right?

I don't really see what I would be furious about... you are suggesting a person involvement in this that I honestly lack. What is the bigger issue to you. The fact voter fraud happened or the fact he exaggerated?