There is no way Blizzard will give up AP as a reward

[Vorecien]

No matter what they've said, and they haven't even clearly said anywhere that artifact weapons aren't gonna carry over into the next expansion

There are sources where Blizzard stated that artifact weapons will not be a thing in the next expansion. I mean, if we held onto artifact weapons forever, then we would never, ever get a weapon upgrade again. No, just no. That would be absolutely intolerable to multitudes of people. They even said that they "will make artifact weapons going away, make sense."

I'm sure we'll have an APv2, but we won't have artifact power in the next expansion. Artifacts were specific to Legion. When they die with Legion, that's OK, as the next expansion will have its own thing.

[gushDH]

They have shown that they want a way of progression apart from gearing for almost all the expansions. We had legendary quests, now we have artifact weapons. There will be something similar, but not the artifact.

[bufferunderrun]

No matter what they've said, and they haven't even clearly said anywhere that artifact weapons aren't gonna carry over into the next expansion, but even if they had, AP has become too much of a universal reward for them to give it up. It's something they've wanted to do for years. Whatever content you wanna do at max level - dungeons, raids, PvP, quests - you can do it, and get a reward that helps you progress your character over the course of the whole expansion. There is no way they are just gonna let go of that.

I'm gonna copy my other post in here for anyone trying to lecture me on Blizzard having outruled artifact weapons for the next expansion.

have you seen the garrison and how it was ported as class hall? here you have a good hint of how blizzard gonna take artifacts/AP/AK and stuff it someway or another into next xpack. there is 0 chance blizzard give up ap.

[Booyakashaa]

Oh you aren't familiar with people who play all the time and never raid. Well let me introduce you to the rest of the world.

You can have lots of free time, and have that free time be inconsistent. Inconsistent and unreliable aren't desirable qualities for raiders. If you know of a guild recruiting for such a player... please post.

"They play all the time but don't have time to raid."

That doesn't make any sense though. And that's what you said. Maybe you should have said they don't want to raid. Or after good enough to raid, then they become bitter about the special treatment raiders get from blizzard.

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[Seranthor]

No matter what they've said, and they haven't even clearly said anywhere that artifact weapons aren't gonna carry over into the next expansion, but even if they had, AP has become too much of a universal reward for them to give it up. It's something they've wanted to do for years. Whatever content you wanna do at max level - dungeons, raids, PvP, quests - you can do it, and get a reward that helps you progress your character over the course of the whole expansion. There is no way they are just gonna let go of that.

I'm gonna copy my other post in here for anyone trying to lecture me on Blizzard having outruled artifact weapons for the next expansion.

You cherry picked Kosak's quote, to fit your position. Perhaps you should read the full quote. Artifact weapons will be as relevant in the next expansion as your Legendary ring is in this expansion, or your legendary cloak was in WOD.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

The system in some form will remain. It won't be AP. Like garrisons died because the class hall isn't exactly a garrison. It just does a lot of the things a garrison did and uses a lot of the garrison systems.

So will AP itself be around? No. Will at least a skeleton of its system carry over with some likely redesigning to fit with whatever it becomes? Bet your ass it will.

[A dot Ham]

"They play all the time but don't have time to raid."

That doesn't make any sense though. And that's what you said. Maybe you should have said they don't want to raid. Or after good enough to raid, then they become bitter about the special treatment raiders get from blizzard.

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If you take an 11 word sentence, and then need 3-4 times as many to explain, or define it. You're probably reading into something.

The point is/was that "according to Blizzard" quite literally every activity has a chance to drop a legendary. Meaning raiding or not... if you are doing something that yields a reward, you should be getting legendaries.

Seems like a really odd place for 2 of your 9 posts to join in a conversation mid way to defend someone else... and being that even after clarifying for you, you go back and quote the same thing, to nitpick, I'd say its a pretty safe assumption that you're trolling on a burner account. I don't have time for that shit, bye!

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Garrisons>Grinding AP

Virtually anything is better than the neverending task. If they actually put a weekly cap on it, it would be a bit more acceptable, but it isn't cool uncapped.

[KrotosTheTank]

If you take an 11 word sentence, and then need 3-4 times as many to explain, or define it. You're probably reading into something.

The point is/was that "according to Blizzard" quite literally every activity has a chance to drop a legendary. Meaning raiding or not... if you are doing something that yields a reward, you should be getting legendaries.

Seems like a really odd place for 2 of your 9 posts to join in a conversation mid way to defend someone else... and being that even after clarifying for you, you go back and quote the same thing, to nitpick, I'd say its a pretty safe assumption that you're trolling on a burner account. I don't have time for that shit, bye!

Apparently post count = credibility now? Edit: seems he wanted to push buttons himself, i guess thats the net for you, but still post count should be irrelevant.

I don't necessarily agree with him, as I currently do not raid, apart from pugging, yet play quite often, I am well aware of those types of players and their existence. As a tank it's hard to potentially be "flaky" kinda fucks the raids if i don't show. That being said, unless you're only a tank, there are still guilds that raid that would have inconsistent ppl, you just won't likely find a Mythic guild that does that, or you'll be often benched, but in if someone else is out.

Thing is this, you say these people play a lot but don't raid (me being one of them) but yet somehow are behind the curve with regards to AP? I'd postulate that if I kept my same hours of play, yet raided mythic (not 10/10) I'd have less AP than I do now, since wiping over and over learning fights takes time and that time could be spent doing WQ, or heroics, or M+, or even less productive things we all like to do, such as mount/tmog farming, pet battles, etc, whatever makes you happy.

More on point, I agree that some form of max level leveling (AP in the case of Legion) will be around, it, in my opinion, has much more upsides than downsides. I do not, however, agree that the weapons will carry over into the next expansion.

Garrisons>Grinding AP

Virtually anything is better than the neverending task. If they actually put a weekly cap on it, it would be a bit more acceptable, but it isn't cool uncapped.

That first statement is laughable; why even play the game when you're more for doing nothing but talk in trade chat than actually going out and doing stuff that in some way is always relevant.

As for your second point, do you feel behind in any way? I mean like, seriously behind. I can see the argument with the case of legendaries, even though most people who play enough have 2 good/decent ones amongst the crap, but for your weapon AP level, you actually feel like you must farm the AP? Like, well beyond the AP you can naturally get by playing the game like you have all other expansions?

I understand that people want to be able to walk away from the game for a few weeks and come back and be relevant. Thing is, you still will be, albeit a little behind (hardly behind if you at least kept up with AK in some way), but conversely, do you think it's fair for those who did play all that time to not gain any ground? I'll take falling behind the crazy AP farmers any day over having nothing to do. I just recently went through my older WoD screenshots, so many of them were in my garrison or just waiting around for rare mount mobs to spawn. WoD's inactivity made me essentially quit playing for several months. I didn't come back until a few months into Legion, not because i disliked anything about it, i just disassociated myself with the game, which is fine, but if i want to play something i want it to engage me, and that's something the current version has in spades over WoD. A weekly cap I'd just hit and then fuck around a bit and log off, done.

[Booyakashaa]

If you take an 11 word sentence, and then need 3-4 times as many to explain, or define it. You're probably reading into something.

The point is/was that "according to Blizzard" quite literally every activity has a chance to drop a legendary. Meaning raiding or not... if you are doing something that yields a reward, you should be getting legendaries.

Seems like a really odd place for 2 of your 9 posts to join in a conversation mid way to defend someone else... and being that even after clarifying for you, you go back and quote the same thing, to nitpick, I'd say its a pretty safe assumption that you're trolling on a burner account. I don't have time for that shit, bye!

Haven't played since launch.
Haven't raided anything but normal since wod. I only joined in to wind you up. Which seems is quite easy.

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[A dot Ham]

Haven't played since launch.
Haven't raided anything but normal since wod. I only joined in to wind you up. Which seems is quite easy.

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So you admit to trolling. I feel so honored 3/10 posts were at me. Seems like an odd place to spend so much of your time if you aren't playing... and clearly not posting.

[Booyakashaa]

So you admit to trolling. I feel so honored 3/10 posts were at me. Seems like an odd place to spend so much of your time if you aren't playing... and clearly not posting.

You should feel honoured my man.

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That first statement is laughable; why even play the game when you're more for doing nothing but talk in trade chat than actually going out and doing stuff that in some way is always relevant.

As for your second point, do you feel behind in any way? I mean like, seriously behind. I can see the argument with the case of legendaries, even though most people who play enough have 2 good/decent ones amongst the crap, but for your weapon AP level, you actually feel like you must farm the AP? Like, well beyond the AP you can naturally get by playing the game like you have all other expansions?

I understand that people want to be able to walk away from the game for a few weeks and come back and be relevant. Thing is, you still will be, albeit a little behind (hardly behind if you at least kept up with AK in some way), but conversely, do you think it's fair for those who did play all that time to not gain any ground? I'll take falling behind the crazy AP farmers any day over having nothing to do. I just recently went through my older WoD screenshots, so many of them were in my garrison or just waiting around for rare mount mobs to spawn. WoD's inactivity made me essentially quit playing for several months. I didn't come back until a few months into Legion, not because i disliked anything about it, i just disassociated myself with the game, which is fine, but if i want to play something i want it to engage me, and that's something the current version has in spades over WoD. A weekly cap I'd just hit and then fuck around a bit and log off, done.

WHY? FUN! Thats why!

That thing you don't give a s*** about.

[DarthMonk79]

I can see them keeping something like it... maybe some kind of paragon system or the Path of the Titans. It's definitely the new valor point item.

[Niwes]

No matter what they've said, and they haven't even clearly said anywhere that artifact weapons aren't gonna carry over into the next expansion, but even if they had, AP has become too much of a universal reward for them to give it up. It's something they've wanted to do for years. Whatever content you wanna do at max level - dungeons, raids, PvP, quests - you can do it, and get a reward that helps you progress your character over the course of the whole expansion. There is no way they are just gonna let go of that.

I'm gonna copy my other post in here for anyone trying to lecture me on Blizzard having outruled artifact weapons for the next expansion.

it seems you dont play wow that long... ?

they completely create/design/code all stuff from scratch in every xpac. next time AP is gone and valor back. or another new currency, more coupled to vanity stuff or class behaviour/rotation by farming or just very low power influence. or mybe they get totally rid of longterm progression via currencies and redesign other reward systems or use longterm progression totally another way, via content. EVERYTHING can and will happen.

as always...

[cfStatic]

It's not a stretch... its exactly what has happened. If, IF it was their intent to have it mirror any other armor token or anything else we have farmed in the past... they would have put a cap on it.

Conspiracy or not, intended or not, it is another system that has caused a gap between these "elite" players and the oh so hated "casuals". Kind of like how they discovered their "bad luck protection" wasn't working and was actually increasing legendary drop chances for people who ALREADY had legendaries. When they discovered the bug did they correct it by removing the additional legendaries? Nope. Those fucks got to keep em. Convenient. Meanwhile the rest of us plebeians have to work harder, or rather the way it was intended to get ours.

What are you even smoking my dude? You're acting as if they were intentionally going out of their way to abuse a bug to get legos when it was merely happenstance when they were farming AP. Why would you penalize them because of something they had no control over?

"Well because you were doing things that award legendaries and it was our fuck up. Stop doing literally everything that can award a legendary until we deploy our hotfix. Additionally, we're going in dry and we're going to remove all your legendaries. Because fuck you thats why".

[Niwes]

AP system is the perfect way to give everybody at any time the feeling "i suck".

without caps, or "cap points" after 2-4 weeks, with 2-4 weeks pause, where you cant get AP (up/down system) this system is worst thing you can do in a game like wow. as long as you couple longterm progression with char power instead vanity rewards, gold etc. this system is a loose/loose situation. instead of giving the feeling there is always something to do, you give ppl the feeling you always are behind, or you always are unfinished, or you always have to work (instead play a game). its horrible. for both, hardcore gamers (have to work) and casuals (are always behind). no one can win with this system. not even blizzard, because ppl may play 1-2 months longer, but get that pissed off or burned out, they never come back, or at least take a loooong break. no one can win with this system. horrible.

[Xires]

They haven't.

Yes, they have. Artifact weapons will NOT carry over. Something like the AP system likely will though.

[Gaidax]

Big whoop, next expansion they can frikkin' make artifact tabards with the same system, or just spawn another bunch of different instant lore weapons just like they did in Legion, where most of the weapons are made up on spot.

It is abundantly clear they like AP system, so it will be back for sure next expansion.

[Ealyssa]

"paragon" progression will stay for sure. And that's fine, it's actually the best progression system a MMO can have. You just have to tune it right.