Was quite left leaning, but have slowly been turned off by the left.

[May90]

I am not convinced it is not on a personal level, though perhaps less so than society as a whole.

As an example, socialism in the UK reached a peak in the late 1960s, yet people who would have been 20-30 then are retirement age now and the most likely demographic to vote against socialist politics. Unless all the socialists got killed off in some unknown purge, then they have changed their personal political views.

There are exceptions, of course, and I think supporting socialist policies is one of them: fall of the Soviet Union was a large blow against socialist ideas and changed quite a few minds - ironically, the young people who weren't emotionally affected by it are more likely to support socialism policies, than those who saw their ideas crumble in the country posing as a vanguard of the "socialist revolution". Not to mention that people nowadays are generally quite a bit more educated when it comes to economy, and there are few who hold on to outdated obsolete ideas that apparently don't work.

There probably is some level of change most people experience as they grow older, but I doubt conservatism is what defines it. People just tend to become a bit more pragmatic and mature, they stop looking at the world through glasses of naivety and start becoming more aware of the fact that nothing is absolute. So, I would expect people to actually move towards the middle ground as they grow up - and in societies that are overall more progressive, indeed, that would mean becoming more conservative.

Although there are also those people who, as they grow, only keep building up their echo-chamber, and those, whoever they were in their youth, are only going to move towards a more extreme gradation of the same set of beliefs.

[rosebull]

Oh, look, a thread where a "former left" praises to be "not left anymore".

Did not really expect that in a forum full of right wing propaganda.

Literally the first 20 pages are heavily anti-trump. Get your left-wing fake news outta here

[JohnBrown1917]

It isn't the left thats the problem, its the fact that the left has been indoctrinated by social justice, a product of cultural marxism, which has attached onto the left because its so much easier to do.

I see that this shit is still going around.

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Literally the first 20 pages are heavily anti-trump. Get your left-wing fake news outta here

The fuck does Trump have to do with this?

[Sliske]

Is it nowadays "left" if you like Canada and its prime minister?

Last time, the definition of left was about valuing the society over the individual in general, with philosophy books from Marx and Engels.

Or do you define "left wing" as "everything not right wing"?

You're so biased that you're trying to convince yourself that Tenn isn't a complete left wing / progressive propaganda machine. Think about that for a second

[JohnBrown1917]

You're so biased that you're trying to convince yourself that Tenn isn't a complete left wing / progressive propaganda machine. Think about that for a second

With all his love for Trudea(a centrist) and his regressive opinions on woman? really? And are we gonna pretend he is not an obvious troll?

[Deleted]

You're so biased that you're trying to convince yourself that Tenn isn't a complete left wing / progressive propaganda machine. Think about that for a second

I am not biased, i just dont define "left" as "liberal" or "democrats" as you do.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.

Learn your terms. The opposite of "left" is not "conervative".

If people would not just parrot words from biased propaganda sites, but learn them themself.

[Stormspellz]

For me it's mostly how the Left has been taken over by SJWs, Feminazis, and Atrocity apologists.
I'm going to continue to stay true to the actual values of the Left, but I can no longer associate with the PC crowd.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor, stop thinking random people with a youtube vid as "left", and look at the actual legislative history; that's all you need to know.

[Sliske]

With all his love for Trudea(a centrist) and his regressive opinions on woman? really? And are we gonna pretend he is not an obvious troll?

I thought he was a troll too, but really, hes been at it for years now. I've seen people worse than him too that are completely sincere on youtube.

[May90]

I am not biased, i just dont define "left" as "liberal" or "democrats" as you do.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.

Learn your terms. The opposite of "left" is not "conervative".

I've always seen it as "left = more collectivism, right = more individualism". Which, of course, can be interpreted in many ways, but that's the general idea.

[Deleted]

I've always seen it as "left = more collectivism, right = more individualism". Which, of course, can be interpreted in many ways, but that's the general idea.

Which is not quite right as well. At the end, that's just part of many right or left wing ideas. Actually, Nazi germany did not value the individual at all, only as "part of the volkskörper".

Infact, it is about giving up individualism in totalitarism. No matter if its right or left.

The only real difference between left and right is, that left is for social equality and equal economical chances while right is about hierarchy and inequality.

[Sliske]

I am not biased, i just dont define "left" as "liberal" or "democrats" as you do.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.

Learn your terms. The opposite of "left" is not "conervative".

If people would not just parrot words from biased propaganda sites, but learn them themself.

I didn't use the word conservative. You said right wing. The opposite of left wing is right wing.

Here you are using it at the start of our exchange:

Did not really expect that in a forum full of right wing propaganda.

here is my reply

This forum is pretty evenly spread. The mods tend to be leftists, though.

and your reply to that was

Actually, propaganda only comes from the right. Show me one single left wing propaganda thread where it is about Marxism or communism.

And no, i dont talk about "conservatives".

again, you say 'right wing'

You're arguing with yourself and its strange.

Love the condescending attitude though. I always enjoy being spoken down to by people that are so unaware of what they're talking about, that they argue with themselves - and don't worry, I know why you do it. You do it because, as i said, you are heavily biased. You don't actually read what i'm typing. You assess me at face value and deem me "with" or "against" you, and if i'm not "with" you, i'm "against" you, and thus i'm clearly stupid and need to "learn my terms"

have a nice night, buddy.

[Deleted]

You're arguing with yourself and its strange.

I dont argue with myself. It is just one of the common forum idiocies to call both right wing fanatics and republicans "conservatives".

I tried to prevent that from start.

[Sliske]

I dont argue with myself. It is just one of the common forum idiocies to call both right wing fanatics and republicans "conservatives".

I tried to prevent that from start.

"I didn't just put words into your mouth, then try to talk down to you about it - i was just playing 4D chess and predicting your trap card, bro"

You're a riot, mate. Has that line worked for you before?

[Deleted]

"I didn't just put words into your mouth, then try to talk down to you about it - i was just playing 4D chess and predicting your trap card, bro"

You're a riot, mate.

Not really. I am just reading this forum for long enough to know about all the stereotypes.

[Sliske]

Not really. I am just reading this forum for long enough to know about all the stereotypes.

Oh, so you just get to decide what people think and say, before they actually say it.

But you're not biased, right?

Bro, it is okay to admit that you fucked up. The words you're looking for are "my bad"

[rosebull]

I see that this shit is still going around.

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The fuck does Trump have to do with this?

Probably the guy I fucking quoted saying this Board is super pro trump? Did you even read lmao?

[Deleted]

Bro, it is okay to admit that you fucked up. The words you're looking for are "my bad"

Actually it is you who "fucked up" as you use a stereotype for being "left". But i believe it is not really possible to show you how to learn your terms.

It is not "left" if you praise Canada and its prime minister.

It would be left to talk about dialectic marterialism, about Che Gue Vara or about "The capital" from Marx.

It would be left if someone talked about equal rights and socialism. Does that anyone?

[May90]

Which is not quite right as well. At the end, that's just part of many right or left wing ideas. Actually, Nazi germany did not value the individual at all, only as "part of the volkskörper".

Infact, it is about giving up individualism in totalitarism. No matter if its right or left.

The only real difference between left and right is, that left is for social equality and equal economical chances while right is about hierarchy and inequality.

Individualism doesn't necessarily imply valuing each individual though. Nazi Germany didn't value a random citizen, but it did value "the German", it gave Germans a lot of opportunities to create businesses, to earn money at the expense of "lesser races". It let scientists conduct the wildest experiments on other humans... Basically, the extreme form of individualism is "This guy can do whatever he wants, even if it screws up everyone else" - and, as long as the "screw-ups" didn't directly affect the Nazi cause, people were given a lot of freedom to act, even at each other's expense.

There are good examples of "right" systems, working very well overall: the US, Japan, Singapore, Israel. There are also good examples of "left" systems (half-Europe). And there are bad examples of both. Which one is superior really depends only on your taste; I, for one, prefer the "right" systems to others, because they more align with my personal values. At the same time, the "right" system should also have a competent government to thrive, not this embarrassment we currently have in the White House.

[Sliske]

Actually it is you who "fucked up" as you use a stereotype for being "left". But i believe it is not really possible to show you how to learn your terms.

The old double down. Classic.

Lets see if it pays off!

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It is not "left" if you praise Canada and its prime minister.

Are you telling me that Tenn isn't a leftist?

Is this the hill you're going to die on?

[Slybak]

Doesn't that work both ways? SJW, Feminazi, Libtards etc? Both sides do the same, I don't exactly see it as anything mutually exclusive to the Left.

Except terms like "SJW," "Feminazi," and "Libtard" have no precise definitions, and are meant to invoke general disdain for decent people with a healthy regard for the rest of the population. The jargon that the left uses to describe the right (Fascist, Neoliberal, Neoconservative, White Supremacist, etc) tend to be much more precise, even when they're tossed around as generalities. They also typically have their origins from within the intra-right discourse; the term "fascist," for example, was invented by fascists in order to differentiate themselves and their ideology from the rest of the right-wing.

The latter happens when you actually put some thought into political ideologies; you get a lot more nuance and thus the terms become more concise. The former is what happens when you crib all your political analysis from a bunch of crypto-reactionary dipshits with YouTube channels.