Blizzard must be doing something wrong regarding advertisement for HotS !

[Ballistic]

Yesterday on twitch Lirik played HotS as part of his Sub Sunday where his subs vote games for him to play differently than his regular schedule. His subs voted for HotS and as soon as he fired the game the puke emojis started and his viewers didn't want him to play it, Lirik didn't know shit ofc what the hell is going on the map and what are his objectives (cursed hollow map) and kept forgetting using his mount It was hilarious show. He played a couple of matches with tracer.

His viewers actually started to like the game and they begged him to play one more match when he decided to switch to another voted game. They suggested for him to play Valeera and he actually loved it and he was amazed at the different designs of other heroes like abathur and chogall. He added HotS as part of his night stream where he plays it with his streamer friends. At the end, Blizzard thanked him and hooked him up with 10 codes for hero bundles to his viewers and they actually got redeemed in a split of second LOL.

What I'm saying that in almost 1 hour his viewers changed their perspectives over HotS and enjoyed watching it and many of them were asking if this game free and where to download it. I see Blizzard is doing terrible job advertising this game because a single hour in someone's stream made a huge difference.

[DesoPL]

Nothing new actually, regarding how much blizzard is busy with work on Overwatch and Hearthstone.

Yeah of course HOTS 2.0 make game better, but some of old issues are back like two supports on QM's or Nova and Zeratul in one team in QM.

[alucardtnuoc]

A friend of a friend thought hots was a horrible game, but he would play it as long as we could convince him that it was at LEAST better than he thought.

Got him to play heroes like Abathur and Gall (I controlled cho) and he was loving the different takes on heroes abilities. While he didn't enjoy how the levels worked we played for 3 hours before he hopped off with a "Should stop now before I get addicted".

Some people just hate on it because it looks like just another MOBA clone without giving it a chance.

[Deleted]

I saw the same reactions in Kripp's stream 2 days when he mentioned he was gonna do a HOTS stream day. People are heavily influenced by other opinions when they heard the game is "Shit" yet other Moba's are stealing core concepts of HOTS now. Dota talents and LoL quests/Rift herald springs to mind.

Most people i play with love how you don't have to be in a passive playmode for 10 minutes just farming for items and you're not bound to a single map

[potis]

The problem is that HOTS is a polished turd and it doesnt take long for people to see it thats why all those reactions for the game.

Of course people will enjoy something new, like the way Cho'gall plays, or Valeera, they are unique in the MOBA scene but after that flashy exterior disappears, back to the problems.

First of all, its 100% solo unfriendly.

People think they are doing the right thing when they are doing something completely wrong, quick example, you are 2 levels ahead but nope, being 5v5 at the objective is less important than killing 2 creeps pushing top, not camp, creeps cause the 5th felt like it.

Basically this whole "simplicity" and "Objectives" doesnt work together , always talking solo queue because people do not care to get better, and because there is no way for the game to show them "You dun goofed" they never ever, learn.

Sure, for the average clueless MOBA player it will take more than 10 games, but eventually they get there.

But the whole skins etc might keep people much more interested compared to 2 years ago.

[RH92]

For some reason there are many negative opinion about HotS. It is different from other MOBAs and therefore people spread non-sense.

[DesoPL]

For some reason there are many negative opinion about HotS. It is different from other MOBAs and therefore people spread non-sense.

If i good recall, people mainly compalin about matchmaking but otherwise. i didin't saw any negative opinions.

[RH92]

If i good recall, people mainly compalin about matchmaking but otherwise. i didin't saw any negative opinions.

"OMG! I can't buy items or last hit minions to stat boost myself and carry this team! So dumbed down!!!"

Also the 'no comeback mechanics' classic, there are a lot of complaints. Matchmaking issue is not unique to HotS.

My only real complaint about this game is lack of game knowledge this playerbase has, but it has nothing to do with the actual game.

[Deleted]

HotSs main problem is there is much better Moba (DotA2) right now if you want to play for skill and win. Hots is simple and learning curve is much lower which makes lot of space for toxic and noob players.

Not to mention HotS is boring.

Its like if you wanted to play Paladins instead of Overwatch.

Add: Big issue is new heroes are being stronger then older ones.

[Deleted]

HotSs main problem is there is much better Moba (DotA2) right now if you want to play for skill and win. Hots is simple and learning curve is much lower which makes lot of space for toxic and noob players.

Not to mention HotS is boring.

Its like if you wanted to play Paladins instead of Overwatch.

All i am reading from your post:

I AM ONE OF THE TOXIC, SHARE MY OPINION OR GET CANCER!!!1111

In YOUR opinion the game is boring and full of toxic players and noobs. In YOUR opinion there are better Mobas.
In MY opinion Hots is the most fun moba right now. In MY opinion HotS has the most friendly community. In MY opinion the matchmaking became pretty good right now and you meet people in your skill range as you mostly do in other Mobas.

If you directly start with shit like everything is toxic, boring and full of noobs you are such an obvious problem of the moba genre communities.

And beside that, I don't want rush B.

[Nikkaszal]

HotSs main problem is there is much better Moba (DotA2) right now if you want to play for skill and win. Hots is simple and learning curve is much lower which makes lot of space for toxic and noob players.

Not to mention HotS is boring.

Its like if you wanted to play Paladins instead of Overwatch.

Add: Big issue is new heroes are being stronger then older ones.

DotA is boring rubbish

See what I did there?

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Add: Big issue is new heroes are being stronger then older ones.

. . .

Do you normally just make shit up or do you assume that nobody is going to bother actually checking the data?

Sometimes a new hero is too strong and is subsequently nerfed, using this as a specific complaint against HotS is ridiculous. This is typical of any MOBA, new heroes tend to be overtuned or undertuned; any decent MOBA is always going to be in a state of running an on-going balancing act.

[Deleted]

. . .

Do you normally just make shit up or do you assume that nobody is going to bother actually checking the data?

Just compare tanking of varian and Etc. And you will see diference.


im not saying HotS is bad game. Its just like uncooked meal for me. It can be played but isnt right.

[Notshauna]

It's no secret that pre-2.0 they did a remarkable job in making the game unappealing. Coming into an already established genre with 2 super powers with a worse business model than one of them (it was pretty on par with League's) is incredibly difficult, especially when you strip away a lot of the key elements of the genre. I'm not one to criticize dumbing down as a universal mistake, I'm just one to question whether or not it's beneficial in a genre that's already hit the main stream. Typically a genre will have it's more complicated and niche member (DotA 2, Counterstrike etc) and a far more popular simplified iteration (League, Call of Duty), in this dynamic going simpler than the mass market success one is likely going too far.

It's frankly disrespectful with how little Heroes 1.0 had going for it, and if this was any company other than Blizzard the game wouldn't of lived a year. Now they're making big steps to improve it, allowing players to have a decent repertoire of heroes immediately and adding loot boxes to allow players to get premium content through RNG. I don't think anything short of a complete redesign of the entire game could make it a serious contender in the marketplace, but it should be able to sustain a niche market this way (much like Smite).

[Deleted]

All i am reading from your post:

I AM ONE OF THE TOXIC, SHARE MY OPINION OR GET CANCER!!!1111

In YOUR opinion the game is boring and full of toxic players and noobs. In YOUR opinion there are better Mobas.
In MY opinion Hots is the most fun moba right now. In MY opinion HotS has the most friendly community. In MY opinion the matchmaking became pretty good right now and you meet people in your skill range as you mostly do in other Mobas.

If you directly start with shit like everything is toxic, boring and full of noobs you are such an obvious problem of the moba genre communities.

And beside that, I don't want rush B.

I'm not wishing cancer to anyone or forcing my opinion to anyone.

Game is toxic. more then 50% of games has toxic player in team. I usually don't blame or argue with anyone in game.

Matchmaking is total disaster and always will be until you can choose your team composition and map before the game. (also in quick match)

[BadguyNotBadGuy]

The problem is that HOTS is a polished turd and it doesnt take long for people to see it thats why all those reactions for the game.

Of course people will enjoy something new, like the way Cho'gall plays, or Valeera, they are unique in the MOBA scene but after that flashy exterior disappears, back to the problems.

First of all, its 100% solo unfriendly.

People think they are doing the right thing when they are doing something completely wrong, quick example, you are 2 levels ahead but nope, being 5v5 at the objective is less important than killing 2 creeps pushing top, not camp, creeps cause the 5th felt like it.

Basically this whole "simplicity" and "Objectives" doesnt work together , always talking solo queue because people do not care to get better, and because there is no way for the game to show them "You dun goofed" they never ever, learn.

Sure, for the average clueless MOBA player it will take more than 10 games, but eventually they get there.

But the whole skins etc might keep people much more interested compared to 2 years ago.

this is literally every moba, though dota/lol/hon will take far more than 10 games for you to feel comfortable. QM is fine as long as the newbie doesnt think its easy af straight away. there is a bunch to learn about decision making, and that is learned over a longer period of time rather than immediately which so many people expect

[TEHPALLYTANK]

I'm not wishing cancer to anyone or forcing my opinion to anyone.

Game is toxic. more then 50% of games has toxic player in team. I usually don't blame or argue with anyone in game.

Matchmaking is total disaster and always will be until you can choose your team composition and map before the game. (also in quick match)

You're probably at a relatively low MMR if you're seeing that type of behavior, good players are less prone to wasting time and energy sabotaging their team with that type of shitty behavior. This isn't unique to HotS either, it is just an ugly part of human nature that becomes exposed in games like this.

Your complaint about QM is easily solved: Play Unranked or HL, both modes use draft pick.

[Deleted]

I'm not wishing cancer to anyone or forcing my opinion to anyone.

Game is toxic. more then 50% of games has toxic player in team. I usually don't blame or argue with anyone in game.

Matchmaking is total disaster and always will be until you can choose your team composition and map before the game. (also in quick match)

You missed another "in my opinion" hunny.

Those random maps in Quick Match and not knowing what may come is what is extremely refreshing for me and for tons others I played this game with. So going your way I am just able to say all other Mobas completely suck because they don't have the feature, right?

And the last really toxic player I met is long ago in Hots, while in the first game after a year in LoL and Dota there were toxic crap from the first minute, and I really mean toxic. Not flaming, really toxic FROM THE FIRST MINUTE.

But when you mean there are 50% toxics I am pretty sure that you are a toxic. The way you are writing in this forum, without knowing and simply overlooking your posts, makes me pretty sure you are a toxic player. You are never allowing other opinions, you are representing your idealisms as facts. You may not force others into your opinion, but you sell them as the truth.

[Deleted]

You are never allowing other opinions, you are representing your idealisms as facts. You may not force others into your opinion, but you sell them as the truth.

You know you are just doing this by not accepting i can have opinion too?

[Ferrair]

Part of the reason is they made people play HoTS for WoW/OW loot/skins/mount so it became the game that you are forced to play for free stuff.

People just want to go in, finish games ASAP even if it means throwing, for their loot.

Probably where most of the negative rep comes from, no one is going to learn to play the game properly for 5 matches just for a skin, In-and-out is what most are after.

I wanted to throw to get my OW Dva skin but by the 5th game, it was kindda fun, we played the objective but lost to a much better team. But i got my Dva skin after that game so I went back to OW.

-IF- the OW anniversary event is really on Tuesday assuming the leak is right (and HoTS is giving 10 loot boxes away for week 4, which isn't super enticing if it were normal OW boxes), i might actually give it a real go with a proper group. I only know how to use Diablo though, i tried that healing hero with the funky space suit or whatever, got destroyed so hard every single time. :/