BM - Haste being # 1 stat...over Agility?

[Tycondriel]

Hey all,

I've been pretty lucky with drops and have a vast majority of my gear containing mastery. At this point I am sitting at 29% crit, 12% haste, 86% mastery 2% vers. Running my numbers through the new simulations it is showing that HASTE (I'm assuming because my haste is so low) outranks all of the other stats, including agility point for point.

Does this seem right, or could I be doing something wrong with my calculations?

Thanks!
Uniel

[Vurrin]

since i don't see sims/logs/profile etc to see what trinkets/leggos etc you are running. I would assume your low haste is adversely affected the number of kill commands you get during bestial wrath, at least in the sim, and that the sim thinks you're very close to some break point that may or may not be there for you in actual play.

If you're uncertain of the result try increasing the latency/lowering the skill on the sim and see how that effects the sims. You can also try a stat plot or manually adding 200-500 haste( preferably while removing an equal amount of crit/mastery) and seeing if its stat weight drops dramatically. And while doing so see if something like the number of Kill commands/BW uptime/Avg dmg of Kill command etc go up.

[DekyD]

Could be because the soft cap for haste is at 20-22% for you to be able to fit in and stack dire frenzy during bloodlust or other haste buffs.

[Tycondriel]

since i don't see sims/logs/profile etc to see what trinkets/leggos etc you are running. I would assume your low haste is adversely affected the number of kill commands you get during bestial wrath, at least in the sim, and that the sim thinks you're very close to some break point that may or may not be there for you in actual play.

If you're uncertain of the result try increasing the latency/lowering the skill on the sim and see how that effects the sims. You can also try a stat plot or manually adding 200-500 haste( preferably while removing an equal amount of crit/mastery) and seeing if its stat weight drops dramatically. And while doing so see if something like the number of Kill commands/BW uptime/Avg dmg of Kill command etc go up.

Good point, here is an armory link: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch.../draenor/uniel

Trinkets become the tough part, because from my understanding the Sims can't correctly calculate trinket effects, right? I have an 880 BTI, so that helps with the haste proc. It is more difficult to keep the 3rd proc on DF now (I haven't verified this with logs, but it feels like it), but having the shoulders help with that.

What I'm mainly interested in is how accurate those stat weights truly are and if it is taking into account the shoulders (less of a need to have haste to maintain 3 stacks of DF) and trinket procs like the BTI provides.

[Ettan]

yes that seems very correct...
Why would you question that?
Haste,mastery and crit can all be your best stat and higher than agi. Depends how much/little you have of either.

[gushDH]

Yes, the less a stat you have, the more valuable it becomes.

[Emerald Archer]

100% correct, your haste is way too low

[Exerlol]

it always depends... u need to sim urself

[Qman]

I have haste and crit around 20% and approx 85% mastery and agi is #1 stat for me. Notably haste, crit and mastery have the same value in this case.

[Banard]

I would assume your low haste is adversely affected the number of kill commands you get during bestial wrath, at least in the sim, and that the sim thinks you're very close to some break point that may or may not be there for you in actual play.

No...

there is a haste "soft cap" that helps keep dire frenzy 3 stacks up during heroism.

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Hey all,

I've been pretty lucky with drops and have a vast majority of my gear containing mastery. At this point I am sitting at 29% crit, 12% haste, 86% mastery 2% vers. Running my numbers through the new simulations it is showing that HASTE (I'm assuming because my haste is so low) outranks all of the other stats, including agility point for point.

Does this seem right, or could I be doing something wrong with my calculations?

Thanks!
Uniel

Dire Frenzy 3 stacks during heroism.

I see the same thing....my haste went from 12% to 15% and the difference in weights for smaller...they should disappear when you get around 20% haste.

[Tycondriel]

it always depends... u need to sim urself

I did, and thus the question about what the sims said were my stat weights.

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No...

there is a haste "soft cap" that helps keep dire frenzy 3 stacks up during heroism.

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Dire Frenzy 3 stacks during heroism.

I see the same thing....my haste went from 12% to 15% and the difference in weights for smaller...they should disappear when you get around 20% haste.

Thanks, that definitely helps - I was just questioning the output from the sims and hesitant to change my enchant/gems for one of my rings to haste in case I was missing something. Got it changed and now sitting at 16% haste, 86% mastery and 25% crit....if I can get crit down to around 21 and haste to 20 I'll be happy.

[iddqd]

Stat Weights
Agi
23.86
Haste
23.72
Mastery
21.81
Crit
20.32
Vers
17.93

For Patchwerk, 5min

[adamthemute]

Could be because the soft cap for haste is at 20-22% for you to be able to fit in and stack dire frenzy during bloodlust or other haste buffs.

Yeah this is it

[nToxik]

Just simed my BM hunter and right now Haste > Mastery > AGI > Versa > Crit. The Haste/Mastery/AGI numbers are really close though.

Only sitting at about 12% haste and about 30% crit.

[iddqd]

Just simed my BM hunter and right now Haste > Mastery > AGI > Versa > Crit. The Haste/Mastery/AGI numbers are really close though.

Only sitting at about 12% haste and about 30% crit.

I had a similar result with 11% haste. Is there some kind of plateau, because when i reached 13%, haste really dropped in value, A LOT. Like from 1.1 to 0.45.

[Darth Belichick]

There is no plateau from what I've heard. But w/ shoulders and everything, it likes me to keep my haste ~19-20% and then it starts valuing the other stats more. Agi is always my #1 regardless.

[Gaaz]

There are in fact several soft caps for haste currently for a BM hunter. First one is around 20%. At this point you will be able to mantain 100% uptime on Dire Frenzy during bloodlust / heroism, mantle or not. Basically that means that your pet is attacking at a speed of 126%+haste for the whole duration. It also applies to bosses with haste bonuses like Ellisande or Guldan. I do not think you can reach 100% uptime with current gear without additional haste effects though.

[Tehterokkar]

There are in fact several soft caps for haste currently for a BM hunter. First one is around 20%. At this point you will be able to mantain 100% uptime on Dire Frenzy during bloodlust / heroism, mantle or not. Basically that means that your pet is attacking at a speed of 126%+haste for the whole duration. It also applies to bosses with haste bonuses like Ellisande or Guldan. I do not think you can reach 100% uptime with current gear without additional haste effects though.

You only need 15.4% Haste to be able to keep 100% uptime on DF.

[Gaaz]

You only need 15.4% Haste to be able to keep 100% uptime on DF.

Unless I missed something, you need 50% haste to make 8sec DF reset. 12secs / (1+0.5) in total. Bloodlust/heroism gives you 30% and the rest should come from gear. Therefore, outside of a reliance on a mantle in the current live iteration, or things like troll racial or bloodthirsty instinct, I do not see how that is possible with only 15.4%. With that amount of haste you can only achieve 8.25sec cd unless you use haste trinkets or something along the lines of a troll racial.

[Tehterokkar]

Unless I missed something, you need 50% haste to make 8sec DF reset. 12secs / (1+0.5) in total. Bloodlust/heroism gives you 30% and the rest should come from gear. Therefore, outside of a reliance on a mantle in the current live iteration, or things like troll racial or bloodthirsty instinct, I do not see how that is possible with only 15.4%. With that amount of haste you can only achieve 8.25sec cd unless you use haste trinkets or something along the lines of a troll racial.

Haste buffs are multiplicative.

8(DF duration) / 12(DF CD) / 1.3(BL haste) = 1.1538.... = ~1.154