1. #1021
    It's funny to watch Trump zealots crucify Hillary for her emails but whiteknight Trump for doing something that's worse in scale in the same breath.
    "My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility

    Prediction for the future

  2. #1022
    State Media...err I mean Fox News... is doing a heroic effort trying to bury this.

    Shame it's not working.

  3. #1023
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    What the anonymous sources leaked though was the fact that classified information was leaked, not the actual information itself. All that ISIS learns from that is that foreign intelligence is after them, which is not exactly news.
    What was leaked is that ISIS has plans for laptops to be used as weapons. While in and of itself yes ISIS knows we are getting the information. But now 'if' this is indeed the information discussed and is now all over news outlets, ISIS knows where to start looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoWGoneBad View Post
    There is good and bad in this situation.
    Absolutely not. This is the most cheer- and smug free "I told you so." of 2017. ISIS doesn't matter in this. It's all about Trump being reckless.

  5. #1025
    Quote Originally Posted by Akaihiryuu View Post
    A lot of people are missing the point. Yes, there is nothing wrong with sharing intelligence with allies. But (especially with information given by someone else that was NOT cleared to be shared yet), there are procedures to this. Not just inviting the Russian ambassador in and blabbing everything to him like you're hawking used cars.
    I think the best way to explain it to the Trumpkins is like this:

    "How would you feel if intelligence provided by an American spy was shared with Turkey, and Turkey shared it with the Russians without asking us first?"

    This is some fundamental, first grade, golden rule shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    State Media...err I mean Fox News... is doing a heroic effort trying to bury this.

    Shame it's not working.
    I just call them Faux News now.

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    This isn't news,

    and

    this isn't news.

  8. #1028
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    My friend saw quite a bit, but because he worked in counter intelligence, he worked often with Special Operations. I don't know details beyond where he was based and that I saw all the recognition he and his unit received when we hung out last (a month ago). He has some PTSD too.

    He's a contractor now though... doing the same job he was doing in the Army for $200k a year though. God bless American capitalism. After getting paid chicken scratch as a Sargent, he'll have money to pay off his and his wife's student loans and buy a house.
    A question: he really wasnt allowed to give tje locals cigarretes? I mean, for people living in those coutries its like the perfect conversation starter.
    Also, yay for american capitalism! And nay for the bloated student loans
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  9. #1029
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Bullshit and scroll up. The maps show that's nonsense.
    Yes, yes...... Those who know how to think and use research will know this. But how many Trump supporters will follow that same path of thinking??? We still have Trumpsters supporting this move. The Republicans in Government are supporting this move(unless news sources are starting to say otherwise. I am still looking around)

    The point is that Trumptsers will follow that thought and it is the thought of Trump himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    State Media...err I mean Fox News... is doing a heroic effort trying to bury this.

    Shame it's not working.
    DC MURDER MYSTERY
    Slain DNC staffer was WikiLeaks’ source, say investigators

    The f-cking nerve of them to make this their top story. "At leasts someone died here you heartless wenches !"

  11. #1031
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Across the decades... maybe across history, it is a recurring theme: those who attempt to control or moderate a would be authoritarian figure invariably end up being controlled by that figure.

    It never works and the "well maybe Mattis and Tillerson will be adults in the room" line was just the same repackaged bullshit that always fails.

    And as a matter of principle, in the United States of America, if we have to do that, we've done something dreadfully wrong.
    IMO instead of say what he did say in defense of the indefensible he should have said something like this -

    "As an a appointee of the Trump administration I owe a duty to the president, therefore I will not make any statements that impugn the integrity of the President. However to protect my own integrity and honor I cannot and will not make any statements in defense of what was said, and that would portray these allegations as untrue. That is all".

    Of course Trump would fire him almost immediately afterward, but what is the price of a mans soul?
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  12. #1032
    Quote Originally Posted by HeyGuysHello View Post
    "Your clown"
    I voted for Johnson. I also would have accepted Stein. I'm not defending Trump, I'm letting you guys know you're celebrating nothing, because it's true. You're celebrating people saying the same legal thing, "We talked about terrorism and civil airlines. Big whoop. It's legal for the executives in our position." 13526 was signed under Obama, by the way, so it's not like it's an Order Trump or Nixon signed to save their asses. It's non-news.
    Actually no, there's no celebration here. If you're trying to interpret tone, you are exceptionally poor at it.

    The big whoop is that the idiot basically confirmed the story by citing his "absolute right". And this isn't limited to just the left. When Bob Corker says your administration is in a downward spiral, it's kind of difficult to pin the reaction as a leftist wet dream. And really, now the perception to our allies is that the POTUS discusses sensitive information with Russian diplomats. That alone should be enough of a concern to you. For some reason you're more concerned about trying to argue semantics, that aren't really semantics.

    Johnson would be so ashamed. If he wasn't so busy trying to find out what a world leader means. Maybe he's searching in Aleppo...

  13. #1033
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Hey remember when an unnamed source named "Deep Throat" brought down a President last time? And how Deep Throat wasn't known for 40 years until it turned out to be FBI Deputy Director Mark Felt?

    Be careful with what you wish for when you want names named. Leaking is very rarely some low level 30 year old guy trying to be a hero. It's almost always an official by a faction or interest (like out of a Senators office), or someone senior and in the know.

    I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people that is an anonymous source for the Post (though probably not the originator) is McMaster or Dina Powell. Or somebody else senior on the NSC staff.

    That is _exactly_ how this works. The Bradley Manning and Edward Snowdens of the world are the exception. The General Cartwrights of the world are the rule.
    What I would find most amusing is if Mike Pence eyeing up a chance at becoming president was behind the leak. In fact if he wasn't behind most of the leaks. That there would be some house of cards in rl.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    I think the best way to explain it to the Trumpkins is like this:

    "How would you feel if intelligence provided by an American spy was shared with Turkey, and Turkey shared it with the Russians without asking us first?"

    This is some fundamental, first grade, golden rule shit.
    They would say it is ok cuz it was shared to Turkey by our Idiot in office so it is acceptable. Only until that American Spy dies and then it will be KILL TURKEY..... So sad the downward spiral of 'intelligence' America has become.

  15. #1035
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    A question: he really wasnt allowed to give tje locals cigarretes? I mean, for people living in those coutries its like the perfect conversation starter.
    Also, yay for american capitalism! And nay for the bloated student loans
    He wasn't allowed to physically harm folks. Like hit them or beat them. The stuff you see in TV shows about what authorities do to terrorism. The US did that stuff, in a very limited fashion, from the years 2001-2003. But because we've become so desensitized, half the time terrorists are ever shown up in fiction, the side that has them in custody is routinely violating their human rights. And that's, you know, a war crime.

    It's just so disturbing to me. He's this great guy with a huge heart, and I've casually been asked if he's done something hugely illegal, disgusting and inhuman... that also doesn't work. All because that's what they do on TV.

    It's the "Law and Order Effect" but for war.

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    Please continue to sit on your hands GOP, I dare you. Let's wait until the next election, because this is okay.

  17. #1037
    Quote Originally Posted by NYC17 View Post
    Actually no, there's no celebration here. If you're trying to interpret tone, you are exceptionally poor at it.

    The big whoop is that the idiot basically confirmed the story by citing his "absolute right". And this isn't limited to just the left. When Bob Corker says your administration is in a downward spiral, it's kind of difficult to pin the reaction as a leftist wet dream. And really, now the perception to our allies is that the POTUS discusses sensitive information with Russian diplomats. That alone should be enough of a concern to you. For some reason you're more concerned about trying to argue semantics, that aren't really semantics.

    Johnson would be so ashamed. If he wasn't so busy trying to find out what a world leader means. Maybe he's searching in Aleppo...
    It is his absolute right to declassify terrorist information if that's actually what happened. His executive position comes with that power thanks to the POTUS before him. Are you guys also this hard of hearing in real life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoWGoneBad View Post
    They have inform the source yes, but is it possible to do it in a time frame that can protect that ally? What if they are not able to get to that source to warn that the information was leaked and is now top news around the globe? Thinking worst case scenario, how feasible or possible is it to remove the ally to safety if that is needed. Also if it should be known to ISIS now, if the information was in the top rungs of the ISIS ladder think of how much information we are now losing out on because that ally may have to be removed from the danger(if any).
    Thats exactly the point. As soon as the shared it with the Russians, they would've been obliged to enclose this to the ally that produced the information in the first place, before the Russians can use the source of the ally for their own. In this case, the WaPo reporting about it wouldn't change anything. The only situation it does change something is if the administration didn't inform the ally that they shared this information, which would be even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    He wasn't allowed to physically harm folks. Like hit them or beat them. The stuff you see in TV shows about what authorities do to terrorism. The US did that stuff, in a very limited fashion, from the years 2001-2003. But because we've become so desensitized, half the time terrorists are ever shown up in fiction, the side that has them in custody is routinely violating their human rights. And that's, you know, a war crime.

    It's just so disturbing to me. He's this great guy with a huge heart, and I've casually been asked if he's done something hugely illegal, disgusting and inhuman... that also doesn't work. All because that's what they do on TV.

    It's the "Law and Order Effect" but for war.
    Oh yeah thats a common thing. I mean, probably the best thing to make those terrorist sing like a canary is to treat them humanely. But no one on the US thinks thats the common policy, and that torture is well... a fucking war crime
    People dont understand that enemy troop (at least in modern warfare)s dont hate eachother, they just happen to be on the oppsing side of their respective barrels
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slinkypoe View Post


    Please continue to sit on your hands GOP, I dare you. Let's wait until the next election, because this is okay.
    I think that the real fear for them is to be Primaried. Thats why they arent fleeing the ship yet
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