What is bash the fash and why are people so against it?

[Spectral]

Wait... Waitwaitwait! So the problem was the usage of the word 'nazi'??
Is this like one of those discussions where someone just says 'their' instead of 'they're' and some very, very bright and intellectual individual takes the whole 20 pages of discussing into a mindless wrestling on the word 'they're', even tho each_and_everyone knew what the person who said it in the first place was trying to say?
Wow.

No, this is not the entirety of the problem, but it's a necessary precondition of covering what the appropriate response to "Nazis" is.

The resistance to even bothering to define what's meant by "Nazi" points out why there's significant resistance to the idea that "punch-a-Nazi" is appropriate. While I might condemn the violence in some abstract sense, I don't actually care if someone assault punches an honest-to-god, gas-the-kikes, swastika-tattoo having Neo-Nazi. The core of the issue is that giving moral permission to do so immediately provides an incentive for people to declare their political opponents "Nazis" and to start feeling morally licensed to attack them physically.

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You really don't see that @Liftbrul is trying to arrive at an agreed upon definition of "Nazi" as a necessary groundwork for any further discussion? Violence aside, calling people "Nazis" that aren't German national socialists, don't sport Nazi imagery, haven't promoted Nazi policies, and don't seem to have an affinity for Eichmann, and explicitly say they're not Nazis is just an example of a really extreme version of the noncentral fallacy.

Because the example demands it, Here is the good Nazi, John Rabe

[Cuppy]

No, this is not the entirety of the problem, but it's a necessary precondition of covering what the appropriate response to "Nazis" is.

The resistance to even bothering to define what's meant by "Nazi" points out why there's significant resistance to the idea that "punch-a-Nazi" is appropriate. While I might condemn the violence in some abstract sense, I don't actually care if someone assault punches an honest-to-god, gas-the-kikes, swastika-tattoo having Neo-Nazi. The core of the issue is that giving moral permission to do so immediately provides an incentive for people to declare their political opponents "Nazis" and to start feeling morally licensed to attack them physically.

I find the word 'Nazi' pretty on-point when it comes to racial/feature oppression. But you do have a point, and so does @Lifterbro, I get it.
I'm very sorry if I implied that right-wing-political-conservatist-"I dont like'em brown people"-MAGA-hat-dude is the same as a nazi. Sorry.

Can we get along now?

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I find the word 'Nazi' pretty on-point when it comes to racial/feature oppression.

The NAACP are in favour of affirmative action, therefore they are Nazis?
Yes/no?

[mickybrighteyes]

I dunno, nazis are bad people. Remember WW2?

You forget we basically set that whole thing up to happen... remember WW1?

[Cuppy]

Because the example demands it, Here is the good Nazi, John Rabe

He was de-nazified x)

[Spectral]

I find the word 'Nazi' pretty on-point when it comes to racial/feature oppression. But you do have a point, and so does @Lifterbro, I get it.
I'm very sorry if I implied that right-wing-political-conservatist-"I dont like'em brown people"-MAGA-hat-dude is the same as a nazi. Sorry.

Can we get along now?

We are getting along. We're writing tolerably polite posts of mild disagreement on a message board. Isn't that getting along?

[Cuppy]

The NAACP are in favour of affirmative action, therefore they are Nazis?
Yes/no?

What? Why u do dis? These questions man, it's not cool. But I'll answer if you do aswell:

Did you already tell your parents and friends what a massive fa**otcun*bi**hsorrya** you are?
Yes/No?

See what I did thar? But srsly tho, what about NAACP. All I read quickly from wiki was:

Its mission in the 21st century is "to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

So what's your question, are they Nazis? No, I highly doubt it since they are trying to ensure equality and eliminate racial hatred and discrimination.

[mickybrighteyes]

See what I did thar? But srsly tho, what about NAACP. All I read quickly from wiki was:
So what's your question, are they Nazis? No, I highly doubt it since they are trying to ensure equality and eliminate racial hatred and discrimination.

but they use racial discrimination as a means to function as they discriminate based on race.

[Cuppy]

but they use racial discrimination as a means to function as they discriminate based on race.

They discriminate? Who do they discriminate?

[mickybrighteyes]

They discriminate? Who do they discriminate?

definition of discriminate:

recognize a distinction; differentiate.

the methods through which they attempt to " ensure equality and eliminate racial hatred and discrimination" also show a particular focus on specific groups and favor a given race. Thus they differentiate people based on race... that is to say, they use racial discrimination. Popular usage of the word has mainly focused on the negative prejudice associated with the actions directed at different races and seems to forget the assumed positives.

[Cuppy]

definition of discriminate:

recognize a distinction; differentiate.

the methods through which they attempt to " ensure equality and eliminate racial hatred and discrimination" also show a particular focus on specific groups and favor a given race. Thus they differentiate people based on race... that is to say, they use racial discrimination. Popular usage of the word has mainly focused on the negative prejudice associated with the actions directed at different races and seems to forget the assumed positives.

Oh for crying out loud. Are you also one of those guys who whine and bitch when they see a "hotline for women who have been raped"?
BOOHOO, ONLY FOR WOMEN, BOOHOO. I WANT IT GONE MOMMY, I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT FOR ME

Grow a pair.

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Oh for crying out loud. Are you also one of those guys who whine and bitch when they see a "hotline for women who have been raped"?

Men can't be raped, or men don't deserve help if they are?

[Viconia]

Nazi ideology is incompatible with modern western ideals, so you can't really discuss it other than to voice how completely against it you are. Dissuading nazi-sympathizers is hard, if they don't care for western ideals. What's left is violence, which is dissuading with totalitarianism, which is against western ideals. So should we just leave them be? I guess, as long as they don't break the law.

[mickybrighteyes]

Oh for crying out loud. Are you also one of those guys who whine and bitch when they see a "hotline for women who have been raped"?
BOOHOO, ONLY FOR WOMEN, BOOHOO. I WANT IT GONE MOMMY, I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT FOR ME

Grow a pair.

well...

[zEmini]

Because a lot of people think that ALL trump supporters and conservatives are Nazis. So for them it gives them a pathetic excuse and justification to vent their irrational anger.

[satimy]

Cheap shots are the only way these people can feel masculine

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Because a lot of people think that ALL trump supporters and conservatives are Nazis.

While it is the other way around in the forums. Here some think that nazis and right wing fanatics are conservatives.

[Kalis]

While it is the other way around in the forums. Here some think that nazis and right wing fanatics are conservatives.

This was explained to you before - you can be a far right conservative, and you can be a conservative but not far right.

They are not mutually incompatible terms.

[Deleted]

They are not mutually incompatible terms.

They are. A neo nazi is a neo nazi and no conservative in a liberal democracy.

And now spare me with your repeated nonesense.