1. #1461
    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    If the info is used to gain an ally in the war on terror/isis, then I don't see why it would be. Didn't the Obama administration create this law specifically to cut through red tape and collaborate with our allies in the war on terror faster and produce more timely results?
    What ally do you think Russia is going to be? If they aren't one by now, they aren't going to be because Trump gave them classified information.

    Seriously, what is this stupid shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    I dont know how this will turn out, but I would be shocked if we found out McMaster was protecting Trump. I'm of the opinion that a man like that wouldn't protect a sniveling coward.
    We saw this with Collin Powell and bush, and also with the non-Obamaite half of "Team of Rivals" during Obama's first term.

    Patriotic people attempt to be company men/women and protect the country. They fail because there are no controlling Presidents with agendas and staff that enable them. So they leave in short order and write tell all books about how they were never listened to.

    McMaster is going to be the latest to join a long line of patriots who tried to be the adult in the room, only to realize that that was never a viable option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalkinDude View Post

    I have a TS clearance. What do you have?
    Half the places I've worked for require TS clearance. That really means nothing. I've held Q Clearance for a previous job *shrug*

    Not sure why you think that makes you special or grants some sort of deep understanding of whats going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    Some people on here are ridiculous. Soon as this story came out i said its the President. He can do this. Hes one of the Few people that can do this. And we had ppl on here calling for his impeachment. Saying it was Treason. Now we know all he talked about was ISIS. And you guys are still upset. Your upset that Russia one of the few nations leading a charge against terrorism is seen as an ally to our president who also wants to be stricter on terrorism. Maybe if the Obama's and Mccains of the world were not supplying ISIS leaders with weapons, we would not be in the shit storm of a situation we have today.
    Its all fine with me, just don't be surprised if allies stop trusting the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC17 View Post
    What ally do you think Russia is going to be? If they aren't one by now, they aren't going to be because Trump gave them classified information.

    Seriously, what is this stupid shit?
    An ally in the sense that we could bomb Isis together and save a few bucks, the whole 'enemy of my enemy' thing? I don't believe Russia will ever be our true ally like the British. Which is why I qualified it by saying "the war on terror/isis".

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    I'd just like forum rules to be consistently and fairly applied and am doing my best to contribute to the forums in a positive way
    Lol. You have an agenda to push just like anyone else, except you're hamfisting it instead of debating.

    If you'd actually paid attention in Civics class, you'd know what this thread was about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    We saw this with Collin Powell and bush, and also with the non-Obamaite half of "Team of Rivals" during Obama's first term.

    Patriotic people attempt to be company men/women and protect the country. They fail because there are no controlling Presidents with agendas and staff that enable them. So they leave in short order and write tell all books about how they were never listened to.

    McMaster is going to be the latest to join a long line of patriots who tried to be the adult in the room, only to realize that that was never a viable option.
    Yeah. . . . I agree. Feels like the past 6 months have been a complete waste of time politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    An ally in the sense that we could bomb Isis together and save a few bucks, the whole 'enemy of my enemy' thing? I don't believe Russia will ever be our true ally like the British. Which is why I qualified it by saying "the war on terror/isis".
    Again, if they aren't that by now, why does Trump giving them highly classified information(without knowing exactly how sensitive the information actually was) suddenly make them more inclined to be?

    Again, what is this stupid shit?

  9. #1469
    Update, we now know the source country for the information Trump passed to Russia - Israel.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/w...ce-russia.html

    And be in no doubt that that information is going to be passed onto Iran, Israel's arch-foe. This just gets better and better. Its going to have huge implications about our relationship with them. They are not the sort to take a breech such as this lightly. My bet is they will use this to press for all sorts of concessions otherwise they will limit their intelligence sharing.

    Well done Trump, you've truly fucked things up!
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    That was the culture started by president Obama of divide and conquer. Remember he got what 99% of the black vote?
    Wow, how did he divide and conquer before he was even in office? That's amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalkinDude View Post
    Great. So you agree with me Clinton violated the law. Since you claim to have the same level of awareness as I do (cyber command, intel background), you're aware that only one of the two people who could have been in the Oval Office actually violated the law.

    The original claim put forth was that Trumo ID'd the operative who gained the intel. This is what I've been referring to and what all named sources have flatly denied.
    Here's the original WP article. Where in there do they claim that he ID'd the operative? I've been following this thread and haven't seen anyone say that, either.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.f5c2ae79cac8

    People in the thread and people commentating on the event have said that Trump leaking the information could potentially ID the operative/source/methods to Russia, but I haven't seen anyone claim that he outright outted the operative (like a certain member of the Bush administration did and was never punished for). So please, I really do want to see where this "original claim" is, because if you cite one random person from this thread and use that to show what the "original claim" is, then you really can't see the forest for the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC17 View Post
    Again, if they aren't that by now, why does Trump giving them highly classified information(without knowing exactly how sensitive the information actually was) suddenly make them more inclined to be?

    Again, what is this stupid shit?
    It's stupid that the Russians have bombed isis targets in the past and might do it again with some intel from the the US? Did McMaster not say that Trump wanted Russia to step up their counter terror operations in Syria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalkinDude View Post
    Great. So you agree with me Clinton violated the law. Since you claim to have the same level of awareness as I do (cyber command, intel background), you're aware that only one of the two people who could have been in the Oval Office actually violated the law.

    The original claim put forth was that Trumo ID'd the operative who gained the intel. This is what I've been referring to and what all named sources have flatly denied.
    No one ever said that. The original WaPo article never said that. You are just making up random crap to argue at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalkinDude View Post
    Great. So you agree with me Clinton violated the law. Since you claim to have the same level of awareness as I do (cyber command, intel background), you're aware that only one of the two people who could have been in the Oval Office actually violated the law.
    But her emaaaaaiiiiiiiilllllllsssssssss!!!!

    You Trumpers crack me up - seriously. Lie, obfuscate, and when caught, turn it right back around to the most ridiculous apologist/whataboutit behavior we've ever seen from that office.


    The original claim put forth was that Trumo ID'd the operative who gained the intel. This is what I've been referring to and what all named sources have flatly denied.
    You must be thinking of another thread, because that was NOT the claim put forth here. You clearly haven't read the article you continually comment on, and it's also abundantly clear to us that you have no real experience with actual intel gathering methods.

    Otherwise you'd understand that giving away the information can also give away the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerus View Post
    No one ever said that. The original WaPo article never said that. You are just making up random crap to argue at this point.
    It always comes back to people too intellectually dishonest to admit they were wrong. Cracks me up every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Update, we now know the source country for the information Trump passed to Russia - Israel.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/w...ce-russia.html

    And be in no doubt that that information is going to be passed onto Iran, Israel's arch-foe. This just gets better and better. Its going to have huge implications about our relationship with them. They are not the sort to take a breech such as this lightly. My bet is they will use this to press for all sorts of concessions otherwise they will limit their intelligence sharing.

    Well done Trump, you've truly fucked things up!
    Trump.
    Betrayed.
    Israel's.
    Trust.

    That's too rich. That's just too rich. Oh man. Mossad is not going to be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    Here's the original WP article. Where in there do they claim that he ID'd the operative? I've been following this thread and haven't seen anyone say that, either.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.f5c2ae79cac8

    People in the thread and people commentating on the event have said that Trump leaking the information could potentially ID the operative/source/methods to Russia, but I haven't seen anyone claim that he outright outted the operative (like a certain member of the Bush administration did and was never punished for). So please, I really do want to see where this "original claim" is, because if you cite one random person from this thread and use that to show what the "original claim" is, then you really can't see the forest for the trees.
    No matter how much we lay out the facts, @TheWalkinDude and people like him will just cover their heads and hide under the "hillary emails" answer until the jail cell closes on Trump.

    At this point there isn't much more we can do to help him - network wire colors not-withstanding. lol

  17. #1477
    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    It's stupid that the Russians have bombed isis targets in the past and might do it again with some intel from the the US? Did McMaster not say that Trump wanted Russia to step up their counter terror operations in Syria?
    How does revealing this information, and the highly sensitive nature of it, accomplish that goal? How does making our actual allies nervous about sharing highly sensitive information accomplish that goal?

    You put too much faith in McMaster because "you just gotta believe". I'm not interested in changing your beliefs, but it'd be nice if you approached the situation with a little more objectivity than "McMaster wouldn't do that".

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Update, we now know the source country for the information Trump passed to Russia - Israel.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/w...ce-russia.html

    And be in no doubt that that information is going to be passed onto Iran, Israel's arch-foe. This just gets better and better. Its going to have huge implications about our relationship with them. They are not the sort to take a breech such as this lightly. My bet is they will use this to press for all sorts of concessions otherwise they will limit their intelligence sharing.

    Well done Trump, you've truly fucked things up!
    Holy shit, if this is true this is fucking huge...I was assuming it was one of our Arab allies, but fucking Israel?...

    This is strange to me though, because journalists have been saying how they weren't reporting on the source of the intel at the request of the intelligence community. Hell, in their daily podcast this morning NYT confirmed that's why they hadn't reported on it.

    So what's changed in the past 6ish hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalkinDude View Post
    What's the difference between orange, red, blue and green network wire? You have no clue because unlike me, you lack a TS. How often is COMSEC changed. What is the model of the TACLANE used?

    For those in the know, that was a mic drop.
    OMG you're adorable. Remember, I now have a SCI/SAP clearance? And you're the one that doesn't understand how sources can be revealed by the material (that's another word for intel) they've provided.


    Read the WaPo article.
    Good advice - you should take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Holy shit, if this is true this is fucking huge...I was assuming it was one of our Arab allies, but fucking Israel?...

    This is strange to me though, because journalists have been saying how they weren't reporting on the source of the intel at the request of the intelligence community. Hell, in their daily podcast this morning NYT confirmed that's why they hadn't reported on it.

    So what's changed in the past 6ish hours?
    I assumed Saudi Arabia. Israel though? Going to make for some VERY awkward meeting shortly lol.

    Israel having a man inside ISIS is not only ISIS's worst nightmare, but if that man is exposed, god knows what they'll do to him.

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