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    The rules of undeath and resurrection

    What are the rules govening undeath and resurrection? I have questions:

    1. Why do so few heroes and villains get resurrected? The only one I know of offhand is Bloodlord Mandokir.

    2. Does it take more power to rez someone instead of raise them? Or does it depend on how powerful they were in life?

    3. Does a demon returning from the Nether to a new physical body count as a resurrection? If so, how does this differ from normal resurrections?

    4. Can you really cure undeath as the Forsaken claim they seek knowledge of?

    5. Could you rez an undead somehow and return them to life?

    6. Can Elune cure undeath?

    7. Has Elune resurrected people? Can she?

    8. When a Shaman Ankhs, is that technically a resurrection or something else? Why did it require an item? Why did the opportunity to ankh only last 6 minutes after death occurred?
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    Why do so few heroes and villains get resurrected? The only one I know of offhand is Bloodlord Mandokir.

    Its not an easy thing, to say the least. It's extremely rare.


    . Does it take more power to rez someone instead of raise them? Or does it depend on how powerful they were in life?
    easily, since we see thousands of counts of peopled resurrected via necromancy, and few actually fully resurrected. And since it takes alot of energy to resurrect powerful things with necromancy, id assume it would be even harder to actually fully resurrect that same thing.


    3. Does a demon returning from the Nether to a new physical body count as a resurrection? If so, how does this differ from normal resurrections?
    Since they never really died I'd count it as rejuvenation more than resurrection. Unless you go into specific situations such as Manny on AU draenor, that would be a Resurrection of his old body .


    . Can you really cure undeath as the Forsaken claim they seek knowledge of?
    We don't know one way or another.


    . Could you rez an undead somehow and return them to life?
    If you can no one has discovered how to yet.


    6. Can Elune cure undeath?

    no idea, can't think of an instance where she has.

    7. Has Elune resurrected people? Can she?
    same as previous answer.


    8. When a Shaman Ankhs, is that technically a resurrection or something else? Why did it require an item? Why did the opportunity to ankh only last 6 minutes after death occurred?
    Don't know if Ankh is even a real ability shown in lore. It might be a game mechanic.
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    8. When a Shaman Ankhs, is that technically a resurrection or something else? Why did it require an item? Why did the opportunity to ankh only last 6 minutes after death occurred?
    Gameplay reasons for both the item and duration. It's sort of an "don't go AFK right now" thing, same reason Feign Death used to (or still do?) kill hunters after 6 minutes. Nothing lore about either, just gameplay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    What are the rules govening undeath and resurrection? I have questions:

    1. Why do so few heroes and villains get resurrected? The only one I know of offhand is Bloodlord Mandokir.
    If we're including undeath as resurrection then your field opens a bit. Nefarian was resurrected by Neltharion, presumably in an undead form. Onyxia was in turn reanimated by Nefarion's science but this may not count as true resurrection for our purposes. The troll Venoxis was also successfully resurrected in a ritual by Zanzil in Zul'Gurub. Jin'do was himself restored to his body after a fashion during his second fight in Zul'Gurub, a state which Hakkar the Soulflayer "fixes" for him at the end of the fight. I'm sure there's quite a few more instances as well, but I would have to look them up.

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    2. Does it take more power to rez someone instead of raise them? Or does it depend on how powerful they were in life?
    The two terms are used somewhat interchangeably and ultimate to the same end - to restore a semblance of life back to a corpse. The power it requires appears to depend mainly on the power the person being raised had in life - the more powerful the being the more difficult they are to raise from the dead.

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    3. Does a demon returning from the Nether to a new physical body count as a resurrection? If so, how does this differ from normal resurrections?
    Only in that this "resurrection" is a natural process of demonic beings and not enacted by an external party. A demon's vessel is itself an unnatural extension of the Twisting Nether into the material plane - on death the spirit is pulled out of the vessel and returned the Nether, where it can either generate itself a new vessel over time or it can by returned to its old body by a variety of magical techniques. Death in the Twisting Nether negates this mechanism and utterly destroys the demon's soul, stopping the cycle of resurrection or recreation (although it is unknown if demonic souls then go on to some form of afterlife scenario themselves).

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    4. Can you really cure undeath as the Forsaken claim they seek knowledge of?
    Unknown. The Naaru were not capable of it, opting instead to bring Crusader Bridenbrad into the afterlife before his body could be taken by the Plague of Undeath. Higher powers may be able to cure it, but if so it's not yet been conclusively proven.

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    5. Could you rez an undead somehow and return them to life?
    Unknown, unless you count the ritual enacted in "Dark Mirror" that return Nathanos' living appear to him - though he was still undead for all intents and purposes. It is possible you could transfer the soul of an undead being into a willing, living host but this wouldn't necessarily be restoring them to the life that they previously had (and would essentially kill the other person).

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    6. Can Elune cure undeath?
    Unknown. She *can* cure conversion to a demonic being in a mortal (proven to have occurred to a Satyr or two in WoW's history), so it is possible curing undeath is in her portfolio of abilities. It hasn't happened yet, if so.

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    7. Has Elune resurrected people? Can she?
    Her power enables her priests and priestesses to resurrect others - so indirectly, yes. I imagine she is also quite capable of it herself, probably to the extent of rezzing entire armies if she so willed it. Elune hasn't yet resurrected anyone directly excepting perhaps Ysera, although that was less a resurrection and more a cleansing of the Nightmare taint and raising her bodily to the heavens to become a constellation or somesuch (although an echo of her appears in the restored Emerald Dream and also deep within the Rift of Aln where even Malfurion could not go). It is possible Ysera continues to exists in some manner thanks to Elune's influence.

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    8. When a Shaman Ankhs, is that technically a resurrection or something else? Why did it require an item? Why did the opportunity to ankh only last 6 minutes after death occurred?
    That is more of a gameplay mechanic than a lore device - though you could think of the item itself as a kind of magical storage device for the soul of its bearer, triggered on death it uses potent magic to return the body back to a functional state and pushes the soul back into it. The potency of the magic would explain the time limitation as well as the longer cooldown (though this is more a story-driven explanation of the gameplay mechanic than it is a canon explanation for the ability).
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    6. Can Elune cure undeath?
    I'm pretty sure Elune can if Blizzard's employees give her/him/it that ability.

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    7. Has Elune resurrected people? Can she?
    I don't know if Elune has, but I'm pretty sure Elune can if Blizzard's employees give her/him/it that ability.

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    5. Could you rez an undead somehow and return them to life?
    I guess you could.

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    3. Does a demon returning from the Nether to a new physical body count as a resurrection? If so, how does this differ from normal resurrections?
    It depends. What do you consider resurrection? Do you think if MU Gul'dan reached into an astral dimension that transcends realities, pulled the demonic soul of AU Gorefiend from the Nether, then shoved it into a human corpse to create a death knight with an immortal demon soul it would count as resurrection?

    Perhaps MU Gorfiend (as a death knight) isn't aware that he has a demon counterpart that transcends all realities despite the fact that he has the knowledge and soul of a warlock? You know, some warlocks believe a part of themselves simultaneously exist in the physical universe and the Nether. Perhaps an undead warlock can summon and pull an AU demonic version of herself/himself then soul swap his undead soul with the living soul of her/his AU demonic version. You know, Krasus was able to co-exist with his dragon version at the same time.

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    4. Can you really cure undeath as the Forsaken claim they seek knowledge of?
    Of course you can cure undeath. Blizzard's employees are conflating demons with demonic creatures that have living demonic spirits tethered to the Twisting Nether, so the cure to undeath is obviously to infuse yourself with demonic energy and become a demonic, living creature with a demonic spirit tethered to the Twisting Nether.

    You know, I'm just curious how demons can be living beings with demonic spirits that return to the Nether upon destruction. If demons are living beings with demonic spirits, the demonic spirits of those beings would cease to exist the moment they are destroyed because (in the case that demons are living beings with demonic spirits) the moment they are destroyed is the moment those spirits would cease to be spirits of the living and become spirits of the dead. And just how can a spirit of a dead being go back to being a spirit of a living being? Rebirth? Ummm...I avoid saying that demons are reborn because demons are not actual beings who are born. Who gave birth to Doomguard and Pit Lords?

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    WoW Cheapnecrolyte. I hadn't thought of that. Infuse an undead with enough demonic energy to become a demon. Then just purify them of demonic taint and they should be alive again. Blew my mind.
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    Given the fact that you can sew back a dismembered crusader who was molded into abomination like its nothing and hes good as new, not abusing resurrection is just plot induced stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    WoW Cheapnecrolyte. I hadn't thought of that. Infuse an undead with enough demonic energy to become a demon. Then just purify them of demonic taint and they should be alive again. Blew my mind.
    The mechanisms that cause a living entity to become a demon aren't quite known, though. While undead beings can be Fel corrupted they don't necessarily become demons themselves and wouldn't have the intrinsic qualities of demons (e.g. being reborn in the Nether upon death). There's also no known case, to my knowledge, of Fel infusion restoring "life" to an undead being - they're just corrupted but otherwise still undead.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    The mechanisms that cause a living entity to become a demon aren't quite known, though. While undead beings can be Fel corrupted they don't necessarily become demons themselves and wouldn't have the intrinsic qualities of demons (e.g. being reborn in the Nether upon death). There's also no known case, to my knowledge, of Fel infusion restoring "life" to an undead being - they're just corrupted but otherwise still undead.
    Xavius was destroyed by Malfurion, his soul thus became disembodied and undead, Sargeras did some African Voodoo to make him a seemingly living satyr that was then turned into a tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapnecrolyte View Post
    Xavius was destroyed by Malfurion, his soul thus became disembodied and undead, Sargeras did some African Voodoo to make him a seemingly living satyr that was then turned into a tree.
    Xavius' spirit was snatched from the afterlife by Sargeras, turned demonic and restored to a new demonic body - he skipped being specifically undead as his disembodied spirit never returned the material plane in any sense. He was just dead and in the natural state for a disembodied spirit (with undeath being decidedly unnatural) when Sargeras intervened to make him a Satyr.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Xavius' spirit was snatched from the afterlife by Sargeras, turned demonic and restored to a new demonic body - he skipped being specifically undead as his disembodied spirit never returned the material plane in any sense. He was just dead and in the natural state for a disembodied spirit (with undeath being decidedly unnatural) when Sargeras intervened to make him a Satyr.
    Umm, dead is dead. In fact, the dead are just as dead as the undead. Does it matter if Xavius was dead or undead in this case? To me, not really because if one can be dead then brought back to full life, an undead being can be brought back to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapnecrolyte View Post
    Umm, dead is dead. In fact, the dead are just as dead as the undead. Does it matter if Xavius was dead or undead in this case? To me, not really because if one can be dead then brought back to full life, an undead being can be brought back to life.
    Dead is dead - but dead is not "undead." An undead being needs to be either an imperfectly resurrected corpse with the soul reattached (e.g. Scourge, Forsaken, animated skeleton, etc.) or an incorporeal shade present on the material plane such as a ghost, a restless spirit, a Banshee, or similar. Xavius died and his soul was on the way to whatever afterlife awaited him - he was *dead* and his soul in the natural process for a dead entity. Sargeras then pulled his soul into the Nether, altered it, and turned him into a Satyr. There wasn't an undead part to the equation, he was basically directly resurrected but as a demonic being instead of a living one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapnecrolyte View Post
    Xavius was destroyed by Malfurion, his soul thus became disembodied and undead, Sargeras did some African Voodoo to make him a seemingly living satyr that was then turned into a tree.

    You're not undead if you pass on. You're only undead if you return. (and not in a new body perfectly attached )
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    Dead is dead - but dead is not "undead." An undead being needs to be either an imperfectly resurrected corpse with the soul reattached (e.g. Scourge, Forsaken, animated skeleton, etc.)
    You're changing the way it was worded. The soul of an undead is imperfectly attached to a body. One could slightly pull on it and it would not be perfectly attached. It would be detached or undead. Disembodied souls are undead and that's a canon fact.

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    an incorporeal shade present on the material plane such as a ghost, a restless spirit, a Banshee, or similar.
    Shade of Xavius says hello from the Shadowlands.

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    Xavius died and his soul was on the way to whatever afterlife awaited him
    So he was dead

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    he was *dead* and his soul in the natural process for a dead entity.
    Yes, he was dead.

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    Sargeras then pulled his soul into the Nether, altered it, and turned him into a Satyr.
    Irrelevant. Xavius died and so he was dead.

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    There wasn't an undead part to the equation, he was basically directly resurrected but as a demonic being instead of a living one.
    There was because his soul was undead the moment it was disembodied from his body. Having your soul raised from the Shadowlands doesn't automagically make you undead. Arthas gradually became undead because he had his soul tethered to a demonic runeblade.

    Anyways, I'll ask again: How can a spirit of a dead being go back to being a spirit of a living being?

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    You're changing the way it was worded. The soul of an undead is imperfectly attached to a body. One could slightly pull on it and it would not be perfectly attached. It would be detached or undead.
    Nothing shows that Xavius was undead as a Satyr.

    Shade of Xavius says hello from the Shadowlands.
    Uh you do realize that people can create illusions of themselves without being dead?
    or did you confuse the Emerald nightmare/dream for the shadowlands. He never got to the shadowlands, Sarg got to him first.

    So he was dead
    And therefore couldn't be undead because he wasn't on Azeroth's physical plane anymore.

    There was because his soul was undead the moment it was disembodied from his body. Having your soul raised from the Shadowlands doesn't automagically make you undead. Arthas gradually became undead because he had his soul tethered to a demonic runeblade.

    Anyways, I'll ask again: How can a spirit of a dead being go back to being a spirit of a living being?
    His soul wasn't undead, and neither does being dead make you undead. Only until its thrown back into Azeroth imperfectly attached to your//a body do you become Undead. Getting a completely new body and becoming a demon would not make you an undead. As opposed to having your undead soul thrown into your old demon body before you have time to regenerate in the nether, that would make you undead, such as Manaroth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapnecrolyte View Post
    You're changing the way it was worded. The soul of an undead is imperfectly attached to a body. One could slightly pull on it and it would not be perfectly attached. It would be detached or undead. Disembodied souls are undead and that's a canon fact.
    If said detached spirit was present on the material plan, it would be undead. If it were attached to its corpse imperfectly in the form of a decaying but animate form, also undead. Disembodied souls *on the material plane* are undead.

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    Shade of Xavius says hello from the Shadowlands.
    The Shadowlands are a realm of the afterlife. Nothing is undead there, it is just dead.

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    So he was dead
    Quite naturally dead, yes. So not undead.

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    Yes, he was dead.
    See above.

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    Irrelevant. Xavius died and so he was dead.
    Death is not undeath.

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    There was because his soul was undead the moment it was disembodied from his body. Having your soul raised from the Shadowlands doesn't automagically make you undead. Arthas gradually became undead because he had his soul tethered to a demonic runeblade.
    Dying does not immediately make an entity undead. Being raised from the Shadowlands and put directly back into a living or prepared vessel also doesn't make you automatically undead. Arthas became undead because the connection of his soul was slowly transitioned or corrupted, moved from his natural body to Frostmourne. That process, as detailed above, is critical to achieving a state of undeath.

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    Anyways, I'll ask again: How can a spirit of a dead being go back to being a spirit of a living being?
    A spirit is a spirit, it doesn't have modes of living or dead in the same way as a living body does. Unsheathed from a body a spirit is naturally drawn to an afterlife state, which can vary depending on the influences applied to it in life, or the weight of its deeds, or a number of other factors. The key here is that it transitions to another plane entirely - it ceases to dwell in the physical universe. If it is returned to the physical universe in a disembodied state it is in a state of torment and agony because the physical plane is not the natural domain for a disembodied spirit - it becomes undead. Similar if it is returned imperfectly to a corpse it remains in pain and agony, it is considered classically undead. If it is returned perfectly to its previous body and restored to life then it is not undead, it is resurrected and resumes living.
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    Nothing shows that Xavius was undead as a Satyr.
    And nothing shows that Xavius was living as a satyr either. Oh, are you the type of person who thinks everyone with seemingly nice flesh, hair, and souls tethered to something are living? You know, Arthas had a soul tethered to a demonic runeblade, hair, and seemingly nice flesh other than paleness. Was he living?

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    Uh you do realize that people can create illusions of themselves without being dead?
    Uhhh, you do realize that a demon can create illusions to cover up its true nature? You do know that demons are from an astral dimension that is "twisting" or "warping" creation and can be perceived in different ways? You do know that demons would essentially be just as unreal as ancestral spirits if they don't come from reality or if they're from an astral dimension that transcends all realities?

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    couldn't be undead because he wasn't on Azeroth's physical plane anymore.
    Faulty logic is faulty. Not being on Azeroth's physical plane doesn't exempt one from being undead. The Chronicle clearly establishes that undead are trapped between life and death, which the Shadowlands represent. Undead don't exist simultaenously in Azeroth and the bridge between Emerald Dream and Shadowlands......or do they?

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    His soul wasn't undead
    Yes it was. His soul was disembodied and thus undead. A soul doesn't need to be disembodied then attached to a body to be undead. You do know that some souls/spirits are undead right? I think you're conflating souls with bodies that have souls. With the case of Xavius, his soul was disembodied and pulled to the Twisting Nether - realm of the dead demons - then returned to Azeroth.

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    Only until its thrown back into Azeroth imperfectly attached to your//a body do you become Undead. Getting a completely new body and becoming a demon would not make you an undead. As opposed to having your undead soul thrown into your old demon body before you have time to regenerate in the nether, that would make you undead, such as Manaroth.
    Demons, by their very nature, can't become undead dude. They're immortals and there isn't a single canon statement that contradicts/retcons that yet. As the Chronicle establishes, undead are former mortals who have died and became trapped betweeen life and death. Demons would need to become mortals, die, THEN become trapped between life and death to become undead.

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    And nothing shows that Xavius was living as a satyr either. Oh, are you the type of person who thinks everyone with seemingly flesh, hair, and souls tethered to something are living?
    Yea, aside from your own version of the lore, nothing shows him ever as undead.

    Uhhh, you do realize that illusions are just as unreal as undead spirits?
    oh boy.

    Faulty logic is faulty. Not being on Azeroth's physical plane doesn't exempt one from being undead.
    In the case of creatures that are on Azeroth, it does.

    Yes it was. His soul was disembodied and thus undead. A soul doesn't need to be disembodied then attached to a body to be undead. You do know that some souls/spirits are undead right? I think you're conflating souls with zombies.
    Once again, other than your own version of the lore, nothing says that you become undead the moment you die.


    Demons, by their very nature, can't become undead dude. They're immortals and there isn't a single canon statement that contradicts/retcons that yet.
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    That is more of a gameplay mechanic than a lore device - though you could think of the item itself as a kind of magical storage device for the soul of its bearer, triggered on death it uses potent magic to return the body back to a functional state and pushes the soul back into it.
    It was more or less a reference to Warcraft 3 and the Ankh of Reincarnation item.

    http://wow.gamepedia.com/Ankh_of_Reincarnation

    Reincarnation spell itself is obviously canon because the Tauren Chieftains in Warcraft 3 had the ability Reincarnation.

    Originally certain items were simply required to cast some spells, like candles, runes or symbols, there was no higher reasoning other than add some flavor to "iconic" spells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    other than your own version of the lore, nothing says that you become undead the moment you die.
    What you mean is that nothing DOESN'T say you don't become undead the moment you die. You're just conflating spirits with reanimated bodies that have spirits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    Yea, aside from your own version of the lore, nothing shows him ever as undead.
    Nothing shows him as living.

    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    it does.
    It doesn't. There are undead in Outland or the Nether.

    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    did you ever raid in WoD? Manny says hello.
    Did you ever read the Warcraft Encyclopedia, pay attention to what Dave Kosak stated, realized that demons are still immortal per canon, read the Chronicle that establishes that undead are former mortals, then realize that Mannoroth - as an immortal demon - simply cannot become a undead (former mortal)? Logic says hello.

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