Trump Revealed Classified Information to Russian Foreign Minister - WashPo

[cubby]

It's how you blame the evil government when you actually control the government.

Lol, well done. And yeah, totally agree. The GOP is running out of people and things to blame.

[Deleted]

WTF is deep state?

I think the most overall term would be non democratic elected people that has a great deal of power within the government, usually within intelligence and security.

[alexw]

Here's what Lt. Col. Tony Shafffer has to say about Trump's revealing of classified information.

Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer: Trump Needs to Understand Deep State Has Declared War on His Admin

What a surprise Fox News peddling nutjob conspiracy theories in place of real news. Not surprised though its viewers are known to be the least informed. Hell they take in so much of Fox's garbage and believe it is real that they are less informed than if they watched no news at all.



Oh and FYI stop posting conspiracy theory rubbish, it's against the rules, you know that.

[zenkai]

Which is why both you and Trump are unqualified to handle and disseminate intel.

Are you saying no President ever declassified information and shared it?

[Edge-]

Are you saying no President ever declassified information and shared it?

In this manner, no. I don't believe there's any precedent for a president casually "declassifying", without any advanced notice to any US military, law enforcement, or intelligence agencies, information shared from an allied country during an in-person meeting with a hostile foreign nation.

[zenkai]

The way it looks, Trump shared information that wasn't his to share, as it was provided by another country, which means they have to give the go-ahead for Trump to share. Also, it looks like he spilled the beans for bragging purposes, then backtracking when it leaked to say it was shared for tactical reasons.

That's the problem, you have conflicting view points, you have un-named sources saying it wasn't his to share, and named sources saying he did nothing wrong. This is why Partisans argue that they are both right when they have no idea what the data was that was shared and if it was Trumps to share.

Basically it's this

Democrats - He did something wrong!
Republicans - He didn't do anything wrong!
Me - Conflicting stories and not enough data since I am not privy to the classified information to know if it was right or wrong.

[Tinykong]

Some Republican Senators are now getting on board with impeaching Trump. I wonder how the Trumpkins will spin their own party turning on Trump.

Probably gonna be like Bush Jr, where once he's proven to have been a complete failure and everything that was said about him turns out to be right, they'll claim they never liked him in the first place.

"I'm calling for the Senate Majority leader, I'd like to talk about impeaching Trump."

[zenkai]

In this manner, no. I don't believe there's any precedent for a president casually "declassifying", without any advanced notice to any US military, law enforcement, or intelligence agencies, information shared from an allied country during an in-person meeting with a hostile foreign nation.

Actually Regan has according to this example, this to me is a very fair story about the sharing. Basically it's saying the President had the right to do it, but it doesn't mean it was a good idea to do it.

http://time.com/4780593/president-tr...-declassified/

[Daelak]

Actually Regan has according to this example, this to me is a very fair story about the sharing. Basically it's saying the President had the right to do it, but it doesn't mean it was a good idea to do it.

http://time.com/4780593/president-tr...-declassified/

He didn't even have the right, because he didn't know about the intelligence-sharing agreements we have. It was a slap to the face to the IC because he is a narcissist who wants the Russians to like him.

[Edge-]

Actually Regan has according to this example, this to me is a very fair story about the sharing. Basically it's saying the President had the right to do it, but it doesn't mean it was a good idea to do it.

http://time.com/4780593/president-tr...-declassified/

Not remotely the same. Are you bloody serious?

Reagan disclosed that publicly, for very specific goals, and after going through the proper channels within the government (IIRC). It was also US intelligence, so it was ours to share.

Trump disclosed this privately to a hostile foreign nation, because he was bragging, without any advanced notice. And it was not our intelligence to share.

Come on, at least pretend that you're going to stick to your "totally an independent!" persona.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

That's the problem, you have conflicting view points, you have un-named sources saying it wasn't his to share, and named sources saying he did nothing wrong. This is why Partisans argue that they are both right when they have no idea what the data was that was shared and if it was Trumps to share.

If it was provided by Israel, then it isn't his to share, no. Israel literally is the one who can choose who gets to share, because they provided the intel first. Your standing in politics doesn't matter. I'm republican and I think what he did was wrong. We don't need to know the exact info. We just need to know that it was given to us by Israel, so it isn't our information to give out further without their approval.

[Wyrt]

Not remotely the same. Are you bloody serious?

Reagan disclosed that publicly, for very specific goals, and after going through the proper channels within the government (IIRC). It was also US intelligence, so it was ours to share.

Trump disclosed this privately to a hostile foreign nation, because he was bragging, without any advanced notice. And it was not our intelligence to share.

Come on, at least pretend that you're going to stick to your "totally an independent!" persona.

And now Israel probably won't share intelligence with the US anymore since we leaked it to one of Israel's biggest enemies.

[Edge-]

And now Israel probably won't share intelligence with the US anymore since we leaked it to one of Israel's biggest enemies.

I'm very curious to see what comes of this. Publicly, Israel seems to be playing playing very nice, I don't think the want to portray that there's anything wrong. But everything I'm reading from folks with contacts in Israeli intelligence/government is portraying a starkly different picture with far more anger and concern from the Israelis.

[Draco-Onis]

Basically it's this

Democrats - He did something wrong!
Republicans - He didn't do anything wrong!
Me - Conflicting stories and not enough data since I am not privy to the classified information to know if it was right or wrong.

Actually it's more like this.

Democrats - He did something wrong!
Republicans - He didn't do anything illegal!

It's a big difference in argument, the spin is to focus on the legality of it which is something even the Washington post story was not disputing.

[Cthulhu 2020]

He stated a fact with his opinion and you come back with a silly insult, how mature.

This is hilarious coming from the king of "stop talking about Bush in this topic about Obama!"

Stay woke, hypocrite.

[Infracted]

[Orbitus]

In fact, Trump seems to spend most of his time saying good things about Trump.

Sorry, that was supposed to be about Putin. Trump never says anything bad about Putin.

[Shalcker]

And now Israel probably won't share intelligence with the US anymore since we leaked it to one of Israel's biggest enemies.

They already said they are fine with it on official level.

Stop with hyperbole.

"The security relationship between Israel and our great ally the United States is deep, meaningful and unprecedented in its scope and contribution to our strength," Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman tweeted. "That is how it will continue to be."

The only ones concerned, again, are "some unnamed officials".

[Orbitus]

it's never going to be opportunistic to jump ship because it's impossible to impeach a president based on deliberately misleading headlines followed by a story that leaves out key facts.

Whose alt account are you?

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Whoops...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...275_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.f00f85b9d32e

This has already been discussed and already destroyed. There is no "oops" here. The way they were shared is what the issue is here. Your first link had Obama go through the proper procedure and make sure that we or our allies didn't have operatives in the area that would have been burned.

The second one is Trump giving out information that Israel gave us, that they didn't want us to give out to anyone, BECAUSE THEY HAD ASSETS IN THE AREA. And it came up in conversation all willy nilly without the intelligence agencies saying he could do it.

But please keep being a Trump shill on the sinking ship.

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Here's what Lt. Col. Tony Shafffer has to say about Trump's revealing of classified information.

Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer: Trump Needs to Understand Deep State Has Declared War on His Admin

Anyone that references a "deep state" can be basically handwaved away. It isn't deep state that is sinking his administration, it is his fat orange mouth that is sinking his administration.

[JonnyB]

I don't even understand why he would do this.

Trump: When you get back home, make sure you tell Vlad how cool I am.

[Deleted]

Anyone that references a "deep state" can be basically handwaved away. It isn't deep state that is sinking his administration, it is his fat orange mouth that is sinking his administration.

It's also highly irresponsible of him. Let's say Trump get's removed from office, I doubt his supporters will just shrug this off with "you win some, you lose some." It is not out of the realm of possibility to expect civil unrest (in contrast to civil war) and this guys talks about some huge, great conspiracy from the shadowy side of the government.