Net neutrality going down in flames as FCC votes to kill Title II rules

[kail]

Ok. you have to be using the wrong units here. This cant possibly be true. Do you mean 50 MB/s?

ISPs here always use the little "b", always. I lost count how many times I corrected others when they bragged about their 25mbs.

[Vash The Stampede]

How fucking greedy are these fucking fuckers.

Sooner or later it's all going to come crashing down on these fucking greedy fucks.

To be honest, there's a lot more smarter people out there that would find ways around this issue. Ultimately the ISPs have the last say, but that doesn't change that someone is going to find a way around any restrictions they impose.

Netflix was at fault here. And Comcast did NOT throttle Netflix. ISPs as a courtesy were opening up additional ports when the ones Netflix were using bottlenecked. Comcast and Verizon felt they were being taken advantage of by Netflix and stopped being courteous. That is in no way throttling data speeds. Netflix was being greedy and Comcast stopped accomodating the greed.

Facts are facts.

Nope sorry, they were being dicks. Networks don't have any real restrictions unless you want them to. This is a fact. If Verizon has a router that's bottlenecked, then they should improve their infrastructure. The fact you can bypass this problem with a VPN suggests that there isn't any real physical limitation. Even though today Netflix doesn't allow VPN's, but when it did that's how people got better speeds.

[GennGreymane]

We created it, we can take it away!

You created nothing.

[GennGreymane]

You can't prove that.

I can make safe assumptions!

[GennGreymane]

Fake News! :P

Now pass me some popcorn.

lol

maybeh

[apeiron1234]

lol

maybeh

how many times do you change your avatar?

[GennGreymane]

how many times do you change your avatar?

when I feel like it.

[Hammerfest]

I love how that sack of filthy fucking shit said our comments @ the FCC mean nothing and this isn't 'American Idol'.

Hes going to pay for that.

It'll be okay. You didn't really want Net Neutrality anyway, you just didn't know it.

[Scathbais]

To be honest, there's a lot more smarter people out there that would find ways around this issue. Ultimately the ISPs have the last say, but that doesn't change that someone is going to find a way around any restrictions they impose.


Nope sorry, they were being dicks. Networks don't have any real restrictions unless you want them to. This is a fact. If Verizon has a router that's bottlenecked, then they should improve their infrastructure. The fact you can bypass this problem with a VPN suggests that there isn't any real physical limitation. Even though today Netflix doesn't allow VPN's, but when it did that's how people got better speeds.

Did you read the article I linked? It was not throttling and Comcast was in their rights to do so. If Netflix overloads a peering port, it is not Verizon's responsibility to give them even more resources without compensation. Nothing is free, particularly when VZ spent billions of their own money to build out their network.

[Vash The Stampede]

Did you read the article I linked? It was not throttling

According to who?

and Comcast was in their rights to do so.

Again, according to who?

If Netflix overloads a peering port, it is not Verizon's responsibility to give them even more resources without compensation.

Why is Netflix even being held responsible? This is a consumer issue. If everyone starts using Netflix and your service bottlenecks somewhere, then your service wasn't prepared to handle all the traffic. Instead you're hoping people are just masturbating to porn, or on Facebook. But again, how come a VPN will fix the problem?

Nothing is free, particularly when VZ spent billions of their own money to build out their network.

Don't forget the billions in subsidies as well. We literally gave them money to give us better coverage and they even failed at that.
http://gizmodo.com/after-billions-in...map-1682854728

[Kujako]

Did you read the article I linked? It was not throttling and Comcast was in their rights to do so. If Netflix overloads a peering port, it is not Verizon's responsibility to give them even more resources without compensation. Nothing is free, particularly when VZ spent billions of their own money to build out their network.

Netflix worked, and then overnight it didn't until Netflix paid Comcast, then it worked again. You can spin that however you like.

[Blade Wolf]

I wont have to do anything, hes bringing the wrath of the internet down on himself by saying shit like this:

Commissioner O'Reilly: "OUR RULEMAKING PROCEEDING IS NOT DECIDED LIKE A "DANCING WITH THE STARS" CONTEST, SINCE COUNTS OF COMMENTS SUBMITTED HAVE ONLY SO MUCH VALUE."




Thats the kind of thing you say when you want the videos of you cheating on your wife with a tranny using a cheap limo service ending up on LiveLeak and Youtube.

I wonder if they have any idea at all what they've just done. This will be one of the few times we'll see the internet goin after someone with all the keks and memes united. Pissing off the entire internet is something nobody should be stupid enough to accomplish.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I wonder if they have any idea at all what they've just done. This will be one of the few times we'll see the internet goin after someone with all the keks and memes united. Pissing off the entire internet is something nobody should be stupid enough to accomplish.

It's like the Wrath of the sun incarnate.

[Demoncrash]

Thought this would only affect high bandwith stuff like Netflix but then someone made this post on reddit.

If you have been following the news on you'll know that the FCC has begun the process of dismantling Net Neutrality, if not here is an article that will bring you up to speed.

I know this may not seem like its directly related to games, but loss of Net Neutrality would allow ISPs to regulate the priority of traffic at whim. We've gotten used to having free online play with minimal latency with a good connection, but this might become a thing of the past. In addition to game servers for multiplayer games, ISPs would also be able to control digital game distribution services like Steam. I encourage everyone to stay informed on this issue.

But wait! Don't multiplayer games hardly use any bandwidth?

Yes, but this doesn't limit the ISPs to only restricting bandwidth. Net Neutrality prevents ISP from favoring traffic from a specific source. People have been talking about how this could effect sites like Netflix, which needs a lot of bandwidth. The ISPs could ask Netflix to pay extra for the bandwidth or favor their own streaming sites. This same idea can be applied for game servers and packet priority. If there are tolls for low latency connections, then it ultimately it will increase the cost of hosting game servers and potentially kill small indie titles that might not have the funds to pay for low latency tier internet.

It's not as though the bandwidth is scarce, but having a premium tier for low latency internet will become an other source of revenue for ISPs without Net Neutrality stopping them.

Well... FUCK.

[Lazuli]

Fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Doctor Funkenstein]

They have to adhere to EU laws and rules. This is solely US issue.

Hahahaha!

No, it's not.

This is going to result in companies having to pay ISPs more to not get throttled. Those companies will in turn have to increase their revenue. To increase their revenue, they're going to charge their customers more. It doesn't matter one fucking bit if you're in the EU or the US, you're going to be paying more to use services like that.

And if even one of those services has to pass through a US ISP before reaching you, you're going to feel the throttling, too.

[Nurasu]

Do you think Netflix is on the fucking Comcast digital starter package or something?

How come Republicans always want to complain that laws are old and antiquated unless it's the 2nd Amendment? Title II didn't stop telephone providers from thriving through most of the 20th century until they were rendered obsolete by mobile phones and VoIP. Title II isn't stopping Verizon and Comcast from making money or investing in their services. You can regurgitate Republican and telecom lobbyist talking points all you like and you'll still be wrong.

1) I am not a Republican, bonus points for the pathetic argument there. 2) Title II isn't stopping them from making money (which should be apparent), but it sets the basis for *all* freedom of the internet to be stripped; if you actually read Title II you would know that. The current issue is exactly what the FTC is designed for, anything further should be from Congress. The fact this thing has been bouncing around like a ping pong ball in the FCC (who has very little accountability, btw) for over a decade is ridiculous.

[Deleted]

United States of America, land of the free*


* restrictions may applies

[Wilian]

Hahahaha!

No, it's not.

This is going to result in companies having to pay ISPs more to not get throttled. Those companies will in turn have to increase their revenue. To increase their revenue, they're going to charge their customers more. It doesn't matter one fucking bit if you're in the EU or the US, you're going to be paying more to use services like that.

And if even one of those services has to pass through a US ISP before reaching you, you're going to feel the throttling, too.

Those companies want to remain competitive in EU and they won't be going to raise prices nilly-willy, because it's a large market where nations actually still have say on things. While sad, it is mostly an US issue. Most of the companies have data-centers in Europe and as such oversea costs do not really apply.

[Deathquoi]

1) I am not a Republican, bonus points for the pathetic argument there. 2) Title II isn't stopping them from making money (which should be apparent), but it sets the basis for *all* freedom of the internet to be stripped; if you actually read Title II you would know that. The current issue is exactly what the FTC is designed for, anything further should be from Congress. The fact this thing has been bouncing around like a ping pong ball in the FCC (who has very little accountability, btw) for over a decade is ridiculous.

1) Sure you're not. You're such an independent thinker that you're sitting here parroting Republican/industry lobbyist talking points.

2) The bolded part is literally a lie made up to justify opposition to title II. "Freedom of the Internet" is not in danger. The only thing Title II endangers is the ability of telecom companies to use their government subsidized networks and monopolies as a weapon to choke out competition and charge users whatever the hell they want for whatever they want.