Give LFR it's own loot lockout - the solution for all sides

[Deleted]

The way it is, it's fine.

IF you don't want to do LFR, you don't do it, that easy. I have not done one boss of LFR since Legion started and I never will because I think it's stupid and it's not worth my time. It's true, I can just go watch a movie and press random keys and probably do more dps than the average joe but that's the point. But I know I'm a good player and having played since tbc, I know I can jump from heroic dungeons to Normal difficulty without getting a handout from blizzard .

All in All, from my point of view LFR should be cut off entirely, make normal a little bit easier(by having a weekly wing getting reduced abilities by 10% or ICC mode with choosing with or without the reduction.) and let's make it fun again, by having that OMG WE KILLED IT, finally, kind of feeling that you have after wiping so much on that boss.

[Sylvaeres]

I'll start this by saying that I can't stand the idea of LFR. I don't believe that it is interesting in any way shape or form. I believe that it is neither engaging, nor conducive to any kind of personal enjoyment, for me. I do acknowledge that it is here to say and how a vast majority of the playerbase experiences the content

The reason that high end raiders dislike it is primarily two-fold (there are arguments for a third, but I will deal with two) in that: 1) they are strongly incentived to participate in it and 2) it diminishes the sentimental value of getting the kill on whatever difficulty you aspire to complete when Johnny No-Hands and Kelly Keyboard-Turner's blind cats can kill it while maintaining around 8% of optimal DPS/HPS/tankingpersecond.

The second has been addressed by Blizzard and is why we have wings released on a delayed schedule for LFR. Sounds good. The third argument that I mentioned is that new players will see the herp-derp mode, feel like they've completed the game, and decide they're done until the new stuff.

The former point, I believe, can be remedied by having a loot lockout that is solely for LFR. If you complete a boss on LFR then you cannot receive anything from that boss in any other difficulty throughout the reset. The same goes vice versa for the other difficulties meaning that if a boss is killed on Heroic difficulty there is nothing to be gained from killing it on LFR difficulty.

There would then be no reason for anyone who does not wish to run LFR to feel like they have to, and LFR people would finally be free of all the elitist-scum who come into their LFR. They'd be left to their own devices to progress through the raid at whatever speed that randomly assigned group can muster.

TL;DR - Give LFR its own loot lockout. You can either get loot from LFR or the other three difficulties. Higher end raiders won't have to subject themselves to LFR for any kind of gain, and LFR raiders wont have to get bitched at for trying to experience the game in a way that suits them

Flame on if you disagree. I might have a terrible idea and that's fine, but I feel that this would satisfy both the LFR crowd and the anti-LFR crowd. Thoughts?

This is by far one of the worst ideas I've seen on here recentltly. I'm in amazement that you could somehow get to that conclusion

[Valech]

If it's so shit then don't play WoW. Go and find a game that is l337 enough for your epeen.

thankfully, lfr is not mandatory. I do avoid it whenever I can. I still do have an opinion on it.

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If you've been doing something you consider shit for 7 years, you don't need a better WoW. You need a life coach. Jus' sayin'

I did not claim, that I am doing it. I just think it is not healthy for the game.

[Deleted]

I'll start this by saying that I can't stand the idea of LFR. I don't believe that it is interesting in any way shape or form. I believe that it is neither engaging, nor conducive to any kind of personal enjoyment, for me. I do acknowledge that it is here to say and how a vast majority of the playerbase experiences the content

The reason that high end raiders dislike it is primarily two-fold (there are arguments for a third, but I will deal with two) in that: 1) they are strongly incentived to participate in it and 2) it diminishes the sentimental value of getting the kill on whatever difficulty you aspire to complete when Johnny No-Hands and Kelly Keyboard-Turner's blind cats can kill it while maintaining around 8% of optimal DPS/HPS/tankingpersecond.

The second has been addressed by Blizzard and is why we have wings released on a delayed schedule for LFR. Sounds good. The third argument that I mentioned is that new players will see the herp-derp mode, feel like they've completed the game, and decide they're done until the new stuff.

The former point, I believe, can be remedied by having a loot lockout that is solely for LFR. If you complete a boss on LFR then you cannot receive anything from that boss in any other difficulty throughout the reset. The same goes vice versa for the other difficulties meaning that if a boss is killed on Heroic difficulty there is nothing to be gained from killing it on LFR difficulty.

There would then be no reason for anyone who does not wish to run LFR to feel like they have to, and LFR people would finally be free of all the elitist-scum who come into their LFR. They'd be left to their own devices to progress through the raid at whatever speed that randomly assigned group can muster.

TL;DR - Give LFR its own loot lockout. You can either get loot from LFR or the other three difficulties. Higher end raiders won't have to subject themselves to LFR for any kind of gain, and LFR raiders wont have to get bitched at for trying to experience the game in a way that suits them

Flame on if you disagree. I might have a terrible idea and that's fine, but I feel that this would satisfy both the LFR crowd and the anti-LFR crowd. Thoughts?

LFR does have it own loot lockout. It's independant of the lockout of higher difficulties. If you want people to only either do LFR or the other 3 difficulties, that's a whole different thing and a very terrible idea.

[JustForThisThread]

Is that something you do on a raid day or on an off-day? We're also 9/10 and I wouldn't make it obligatory, hell even our hc clears are done on an off-day...

We are a 2 day (tues/thurs) 8-11 CST (so 6 hours total) a week guild. That is done on the optional Sunday night raid.

[Taus]

that's exactly why they do it and i don't understand why either

You guys are all overestimating the actual performance of both the high-end raiders and the encounters in LFR. These days they're ONLY ever a problem the first week. Determination gets a kill eventually in any case or the group dissolves, regardless of how many "elite" players are in there. It's about queues, having big epic-feeling groups that are full. It's funny that these guys think they're carrying these groups when they're literally the filler. The exception would somewhat be tanks and healers.

I retired from raiding and I only do LFR. I'm pretty much always in the top five DPS if not higher. So technically I qualify to be in the population that gets butthurt about underperformers. I run the most recent LFR every week, takes me maybe an hour to an hour and a half. Problematic runs happen maybe once every two weeks. So if there's five wings (might be remembering it wrong, but I think there's at least that much - besides the fact that many weeks I'll run older stuff too) that means one out of ten groups has any problem at all.

[Tharkkun]

The way it is, it's fine.

IF you don't want to do LFR, you don't do it, that easy. I have not done one boss of LFR since Legion started and I never will because I think it's stupid and it's not worth my time. It's true, I can just go watch a movie and press random keys and probably do more dps than the average joe but that's the point. But I know I'm a good player and having played since tbc, I know I can jump from heroic dungeons to Normal difficulty without getting a handout from blizzard .

All in All, from my point of view LFR should be cut off entirely, make normal a little bit easier(by having a weekly wing getting reduced abilities by 10% or ICC mode with choosing with or without the reduction.) and let's make it fun again, by having that OMG WE KILLED IT, finally, kind of feeling that you have after wiping so much on that boss.

The problem with making Normal mode only is this now limits what players can see and experience the content. You run into the same issue you have now where unless your armory shows you've killed the boss or your ilevel meets some inflated standard you don't get invited. Or you're kicked from the groups unless your DPS is phenomenal. Not to mention not everyone can be online during prime time to run a raid. Raids doesn't suddenly happen at 3am or 7am for those with different time schedules.

I don't fall into either of these situations but I have friends or former guildmates that did.

So you run into the problem where Blizzard designs content that only 5% of the players will see and has to re-evaluate why they make the content in the first place. LFR exists to allow players to see content they couldn't otherwise experience by queuing for it.

[judgementofantonidas]

No loot should WF/TF at all... its a stupid system.

have to agree. I am wearing a titanforged tier LFR helmet to complete my four set. hence the reason some may feel compelled to peform trash "content" with garbage "players".

[Jimson]

Your points are correct in regards to past expansion, this expansion is far worse. When LFR heroes can get 925 titanforged gear, and I see it more often than I should, there's no incentive to players who spend hours and hours of progression to get a boss kill because 1 little kid can afk on a boss in LFR and get a better reward.

I assume the next logical step is for that lucky little kid to take your place in your mythic raid guild because he got one lucky 925 drop, right?

Of course not, that's stupid. And so is being upset that a very small percentage of people get lucky with a drop while you and your mythic brethren outgear/outskill them by 99.999%. They have absolutely zero bearing on you, except for the time you spend raging on forums about how unfair it is.

[Zyky]

I assume the next logical step is for that lucky little kid to take your place in your mythic raid guild because he got one lucky 925 drop, right?

Of course not, that's stupid. And so is being upset that a very small percentage of people get lucky with a drop while you and your mythic brethren outgear/outskill them by 99.999%. They have absolutely zero bearing on you, except for the time you spend raging on forums about how unfair it is.

Really? Because Mythic raiding population is dropping rapidly and do you know the reason that most people are giving? That Mythic is unrewarding, why waste hours every week when some scrub can get better gear without any of the work. This applies to Normal and Heroic too, this isn't just an LFR problem.

[Jimson]

Really? Because Mythic raiding population is dropping rapidly and do you know the reason that most people are giving? That Mythic is unrewarding, why waste hours every week when some scrub can get better gear without any of the work. This applies to Normal and Heroic too, this isn't just an LFR problem.

If that's a reason people are giving. they're stupid. I'm sorry, they just are. I've never had anything proc above 915, and that was only once (all others are <900), but because I was able to get a 915 piece someone else feels their time in N/H/M raids is wasted? Never mind the other 13 slots that are miles better, or the mounts, or the fun, or whatever. The knowledge that some LFR scrublord might have a piece that outshines theirs is just too much to bear. (I actually had mine drop in a mythic dungeon, but that's besides the point).