Mob burns Venezuelan man alive over $5 as justice fails

[Surfd]

Venezueala was already experiencing economic problems when the price of the barrel of the oil was above 100$. Also, the entire point against socialism is that goverments don't know how to efficiently allocate resources, it being dependent in one commodity is once again the failure of socialism.

That is an utterly bullshit strawman argument. It being dependent on one commodity has absolutely nothing at all to do with Socialism, and everything to do with being poorly run as a government. ANY government, no matter what type, is vulnerable to bad leadership. Trying to claim that Socialism was to blame for that is beyond stupid.

[NED funded]

Being dependent on one commodity isn't the fault of socialism, that's the fault of a stupid leader. If anything it makes sense to fault capitalism since the prices are based on trade value. This is why people are starving and why the dependence on oil prices caused this.

Like I said already, no one country can go 100% into socialism alone. All countries more or less need to be on the same page. Each has to be slowly moved to socialism for it to work. And that's exactly how we'll approach it. Venezuela was making so much from oil, that it thought socialism was a good idea. Except oil prices dropped dramatically and every other country in the world is still capitalist.

You can see this with social medicine and soon Basic income. All first world countries are moving towards socialism.

People were already experiencing food shortages in 2013, when the price of oil was at above 100$/barrel.

[Surfd]

People were already experiencing food shortages in 2013, when the price of oil was at above 100$/barrel.

Which still has nothing to do with Socialism as a form of government, and everything to do with bad leadership as a form of leadership.

Your argument is about as stupid as declaring all Ford Cars to be bad vehicles because a Ford Car caused an accident you saw. Completely ignoring the fact that the driver is the cause of the accident, not the vehicle.

[Vash The Stampede]

Why shouldn't they, when it's the #1 reason behind the country's miserable state?

And before someone goes with the "it's not socialism, it's the stupid people" -- don't you find it odd that socialism has failed every time in world history, meaning that not once has it been pursued by people who would actually be smart and honest enough to run a country? If socialism always fails because of corruption and idiocy, doesn't it mean that only corrupt and idiotic people support socialism?

You know a lot of people said the same thing about communism and technically China is still a communist country. They've adopted a lot of capitalistic ideals into the country, but are still communist. Some consider China a socialist country.

No country works entirely on one system, but instead adopt ideals from all. We think of America as a capitalist country, but we have social mail, social roads, social security, and even social medicine for the elderly. Lots of countries have moved towards socialism but not considered 100% socialist. Like Denmark, Finland, Canada, Sweden, New Zealand, and etc. Europe in general is stepping towards it every day.

https://qz.com/976032/support-for-a-...-up-in-europe/

[NED funded]

Which still has nothing to do with Socialism as a form of government, and everything to do with bad leadership as a form of leadership.

Your argument is about as stupid as declaring all Ford Cars to be bad vehicles because a Ford Car caused an accident you saw. Completely ignoring the fact that the driver is the cause of the accident, not the vehicle.

You are right if I see one car crashing I would consider it bad luck or reckless driver. However, when all ford cars start crashing I'm justified in thinking there is a problem with ford cars

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That is an utterly bullshit strawman argument. It being dependent on one commodity has absolutely nothing at all to do with Socialism, and everything to do with being poorly run as a government. ANY government, no matter what type, is vulnerable to bad leadership. Trying to claim that Socialism was to blame for that is beyond stupid.

Most forms of socialism involve central planning (the whole seizing the means of production). It being dependent is the result of a failure in determining where to efficiently allocate resources from the government side.

[igualitarist]

For those blaming oil price for the crisis in Venezuela:

Before socialism, around 68% of venezuelan exports were petroleum based. Nowadays, its 96%.

Socialism made oil industry the only viable industry in the country (trough public money, since the government controls the sector) and then, when the price of the oil dropped, they blamed the "ebil capitalism" for the crisis that's destroying the country.

Give me a break !!

[Jeezy911]

Where is that story about American Feminists leaving Venezuela because people don't care about LGBT rights that much because they are starving.

[chazus]

Europe is already testing out Basic Income for the future where we lose our jobs to automation.

Basic Income isn't there to combat job loss due to automation. They're entirely separate economic entities.

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And before someone goes with the "it's not socialism, it's the stupid people" -- don't you find it odd that socialism has failed every time in world history, meaning that not once has it been pursued by people who would actually be smart and honest enough to run a country? If socialism always fails because of corruption and idiocy, doesn't it mean that only corrupt and idiotic people support socialism?

It's sort of the other way around. Stupid people promote socialism because it's easy to govern. That doesn't mean socialism is bad, it's just the go-to for bad government.

It's sort of like saying crappy cooks just make crappy eggs for breakfast, and its almost always awful. Those things aren't bad, but it's a go-to for people who can't cook because it's easy.

Socialism largely fails due to bad government. Have you ever seen a decent government and gone "Man, they have some decent policies and methods of governing the country, but that there socialism just makes it real hard". No, you have criminals, tyrants, and generally bad people running it, and they opt for socialism.

Not only that, but in this day and age, a country can't just 'decide' to 'go capitalism'. That's a switch that takes decades, if not more.

[Deleted]

Pretty sure Venezuela is the murder capital of the world right now. You literally get killed over petty shit like looking at someone the wrong way. Its a failed state.

[GreenJesus]

Basic Income isn't there to combat job loss due to automation. They're entirely separate economic entities.

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It's sort of the other way around. Stupid people promote socialism because it's easy to govern. That doesn't mean socialism is bad, it's just the go-to for bad government.

It's sort of like saying crappy cooks just make crappy eggs for breakfast, and its almost always awful. Those things aren't bad, but it's a go-to for people who can't cook because it's easy.

Socialism largely fails due to bad government. Have you ever seen a decent government and gone "Man, they have some decent policies and methods of governing the country, but that there socialism just makes it real hard". No, you have criminals, tyrants, and generally bad people running it, and they opt for socialism.

Not only that, but in this day and age, a country can't just 'decide' to 'go capitalism'. That's a switch that takes decades, if not more.

Socialism also fails because it focuses on giving out entitlements instead of maintaining and growing industries.

[chazus]

Socialism also fails because it focuses on giving out entitlements instead of maintaining and growing industries.

That's... not what socialism is. But ok.

[Bathory]

ITT : Healthcare and education are handouts.

[Tierbook]

That's... not what socialism is. But ok.

The issue with socialism is that every time a group attempts it for a little while it's lauded as "socialism done right" then it fails and people go back to the whole "no one ever tries true socialism" mantra

[NED funded]

Basic Income isn't there to combat job loss due to automation. They're entirely separate economic entities.

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It's sort of the other way around. Stupid people promote socialism because it's easy to govern. That doesn't mean socialism is bad, it's just the go-to for bad government.

It's sort of like saying crappy cooks just make crappy eggs for breakfast, and its almost always awful. Those things aren't bad, but it's a go-to for people who can't cook because it's easy.

Socialism largely fails due to bad government. Have you ever seen a decent government and gone "Man, they have some decent policies and methods of governing the country, but that there socialism just makes it real hard". No, you have criminals, tyrants, and generally bad people running it, and they opt for socialism.

Not only that, but in this day and age, a country can't just 'decide' to 'go capitalism'. That's a switch that takes decades, if not more.

The Kibbutz did it pretty quickly.

[chazus]

The Kibbutz did it pretty quickly.

Tiny communities and nations are a -little- different, economically. And they aren't socialism. They had features of it, that's all.

[NED funded]

Tiny communities and nations are a -little- different, economically. And they aren't socialism. They had features of it, that's all.

Kibbutz not socialism? That's news to me.

[Glorious Leader]

The issue with socialism is that every time a group attempts it for a little while it's lauded as "socialism done right" then it fails and people go back to the whole "no one ever tries true socialism" mantra

This exact dogma is applied in virtually every occassion of market failures of advanced capitalist countries and in the 3rd world where governments are toppled to.introduce so called market reforms. Chile under pinochet was simple not laissez faire enough apparently.

[Nadiru]

Which still has nothing to do with Socialism as a form of government, and everything to do with bad leadership as a form of leadership.

Your argument is about as stupid as declaring all Ford Cars to be bad vehicles because a Ford Car caused an accident you saw. Completely ignoring the fact that the driver is the cause of the accident, not the vehicle.

As an economic system, socialism doesn't function as well as any economic system which includes a financial sector, because of things like price discovery and radical uncertainty.

[chazus]

Kibbutz not socialism? That's news to me.

It has features, but it's not. It's a national movement that has similar ideas of maintaining state. Many of them have even moved entirely away from those aspects.

Regardless, again, my point stands that a nation can't just 'go do that'.

[Saphyron]

Being dependent on one commodity isn't the fault of socialism, that's the fault of a stupid leader. If anything it makes sense to fault capitalism since the prices are based on trade value. This is why people are starving and why the dependence on oil prices caused this.

Like I said already, no one country can go 100% into socialism alone. All countries more or less need to be on the same page. Each has to be slowly moved to socialism for it to work. And that's exactly how we'll approach it. Venezuela was making so much from oil, that it thought socialism was a good idea. Except oil prices dropped dramatically and every other country in the world is still capitalist.

You can see this with social medicine and soon Basic income. All first world countries are moving towards socialism.

Do I need to remind people that 3 of some of the world richest per capita countries (Scandinavia) is a socialistic democracy. (link)

Country | Monetary fund | World bank | United Nations
Norway 3 4 6
Denmark 8 8 9
Sweden 11 11 13

Wikipedia states Denmark is a Unitary Parliamentary.
But in Denmark, it is called a socialistic democracy.
It is best described here as a direct translate of the danish version.
Also called welfare state (English Wikipedia)(translated danish version)