Mini computers?

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Hi mmoc

i've been looking at buying a computer. I'm not interested in building myself. I want one with warranty so I can go back and complain when I break it

I have looked at Fujitsu ESPRIMO Q956 - Core i7 6700T 2.8 GHz - 16 GB - 256 GBSSD

This is a so called "Mini computer", but I think it has pretty much the same specs as a normal computer in that same price range.

Do any of you guys hav experience with this brand, or mini computers in general? Noise or space is not a problem to me, but I guess it would be nice to have a less noisy computer

EDIT: I dont care about the form factor, I only linked this because I thought the specs were high for the price. I am no longer looking at it after reading a few comments here. (Thanks a lot) - Input is still appreciated though <3

[chazus]

Something like that seems a waste of money.

1) All hardware comes with a warranty. So if something fails, you use it. That one doesn't have a warranty longer than most parts.
2) It only has onboard video, so you're basically paying $900 for the same thing a $300 office machine can do.
3) What exactly are you looking for? A small computer, or one that simply has a warranty on the entire system? Both of those options have better choices.

Personally, the only thing I could see it being good for is as an office machine that uses lots of VMs.

[Deleted]

Something like that seems a waste of money.

1) All hardware comes with a warranty. So if something fails, you use it. That one doesn't have a warranty longer than most parts.
2) It only has onboard video, so you're basically paying $900 for the same thing a $300 office machine can do.
3) What exactly are you looking for? A small computer, or one that simply has a warranty on the entire system? Both of those options have better choices.

Personally, the only thing I could see it being good for is as an office machine that uses lots of VMs.

I feel like that's exactly what I wanted to hear. thank you!

I just want a regular desktop, but I'm afraid of building my own as I fucked my last one up a bit, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong. Replacing almost every part didn't help - this is why i (probalby too much) stressed the warranty-thing.

If I were to buy a computer without making one, primarily for playing wow/cs, editing video in vegas, programming and photoshop, what minimum specs do you think are required?

I was thinking a 7th gen i7 thing, 16gb ram and at least 250gb ssd with 1 tb on the other hdd, and I don't know anything about gfx

my budget is around $1000, but since I like in Denmark stuff is usually a little more expensive

[Thunderball]

my budget is around $1000, but since I like in Denmark stuff is usually a little more expensive

Right, do you have any local vendors you trust? Maybe you can find a company that can build it for you? By the looks of it you're looking at a R5 1600 build.

EDIT: Also I guess you're looking for a smallest formfactor possible, right?

[Blackmist]

At that budget just get an off-the-peg gaming system with a GTX 1060 video card. The CPU is probably going to be a regular i5, but that's more than enough for the card. Make sure it's got a decently sized (250-500GB) SSD as well.

Insisting on an i7 at that price is probably going to cut the budget somewhere else for something more important.

[Pyrophobia]

At that budget just get an off-the-peg gaming system with a GTX 1060 video card. The CPU is probably going to be a regular i5, but that's more than enough for the card. Make sure it's got a decently sized (250-500GB) SSD as well.

Insisting on an i7 at that price is probably going to cut the budget somewhere else for something more important.

or he can get an R5 1600 6 core 12 threads and remain in the price range without getting a 4 core cpu that's more expensive.
I think asking in this MMO forum is a bit wrong thing to do. Latest list of computer builds that we had did nto sugest the RX 570 4 Gb that is better than 1060 3 GB version and is also cheaper and no RX 580 8 GB that is better than 1060 6 GB and is also cheaper. None of the new builds suggests Ryzen also even thou it's a pretty good CPU for a home multipurpose computer.

[Chaltione]

Depending on how important the mini form factor is, I would look at something like this:
https://www.komplett.dk/product/1114...060#!tab:extra
It hits your price sweet spot, it's on sale, might be a bit weak for video editing and photoshop, but that might be hard in that price range while also getting good gaming performance

[chazus]

None of the new builds suggests Ryzen also even thou it's a pretty good CPU for a home multipurpose computer.

I'm still not recommending them just yet. I've had several systems come in now with wonky bios, or memory compatibility issues. They're not bad, and if people ask I'd recommend them, they're fine, but it's very hard for me personally to recommend until those bugs are ironed out.

Also keep in mind that many of those issues are from systems that sat on shelves for months. They may already be fixed in online inventories.

[Deleted]

At that budget just get an off-the-peg gaming system with a GTX 1060 video card. The CPU is probably going to be a regular i5, but that's more than enough for the card. Make sure it's got a decently sized (250-500GB) SSD as well.

Insisting on an i7 at that price is probably going to cut the budget somewhere else for something more important.

I was always told i7 was almost a requirement. I guess not.

Would you rate going from GTX1070-6G to GTX1070-8G or i5 to i7 higher?

This is the setup i'm currently looking at, from basically a trusted "local" vendor

He builds computers for other people. The computer comes with the following: GTX1060-6G, and i7-7500, 8GB Ram and a 120 SSD. What you see underneath are upgrades (ændre means change)




In that version, the i5 is upgraded to the i7 7700. This could instead (for around 500 dkk) be either i7 7700K or keep the i5 7500 and upgrade the gfx from 6G to 8G

edit: picture thing didn't work. http://imgur.com/hPINmuU

Right, do you have any local vendors you trust? Maybe you can find a company that can build it for you? By the looks of it you're looking at a R5 1600 build.

EDIT: Also I guess you're looking for a smallest formfactor possible, right?

What's R5? AMD Ryzen 5?

I honestly don't care about the size of the computer at all. less noisy would be good, but not a requirement

Edit: or should I go down in price and go for the gtx1060-3G and keep an i5? then I actually stay inside my budget

[Gweenz]

Hi mmoc

i've been looking at buying a computer. I'm not interested in building myself. I want one with warranty so I can go back and complain when I break it

I have looked at Fujitsu ESPRIMO Q956 - Core i7 6700T 2.8 GHz - 16 GB - 256 GB

This is a so called "Mini computer", but I think it has pretty much the same specs as a normal computer in that same price range.

Do any of you guys hav experience with this brand, or mini computers in general? Noise or space is not a problem to me, but I guess it would be nice to have a less noisy computer

Man, there is reason MMOC posts the "Build of the Month" with 4 different levels
So, i think you could use it ^^

Also, every PC component dealer (shop, market or a person) should have a specialist who knows how to build at least a really good pc, with taking not more than 5-15% of overall cost for his job.
You could use it well.
BTW, 1050ti is amazing card for low budget.

[Firatha]

I was always told i7 was almost a requirement. I guess not.

I think Blackmist did not see the part about video editing/rendering as most people for recomend i5s for just gaming but thats not all you are doing so the i7 might be useful I would assume the Ryzens should be good for it to with the core/thread count but I have not looked into them much.

EDIT On the topic of small which no one has really talked about heres a good show of Mini ITX cases just have a look at a few and then try and find one from a vendor that deals in your part of the world just make sure you look into the dimensions of the case in relation to your chosen video card and CPU cooler.

If I were to buy a computer without making one, primarily for playing wow/cs, editing video in vegas, programming and photoshop, what minimum specs do you think are required?

Quoting because it looks like people are passing over it

[Gweenz]

I was always told i7 was almost a requirement. I guess not.

Would you rate going from GTX1070-6G to GTX1070-8G or i5 to i7 higher?

This is the setup i'm currently looking at, from basically a trusted "local" vendor

He builds computers for other people. The computer comes with the following: GTX1060-6G, and i7-7500, 8GB Ram and a 120 SSD. What you see underneath are upgrades (ændre means change)




In that version, the i5 is upgraded to the i7 7700. This could instead (for around 500 dkk) be either i7 7700K or keep the i5 7500 and upgrade the gfx from 6G to 8G

edit: picture thing didn't work. http://imgur.com/hPINmuU

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What's R5? AMD Ryzen 5?

I honestly don't care about the size of the computer at all. less noisy would be good, but not a requirement

i5 is good enough for WoW. i7 is sort of a luxury you don't really need for that game if you have the budget brackets.

[Blackmist]

I really wanted Ryzen to be great, but it's merely OK. Nothing that's going to make Intel drop their prices. Games simply don't use that many cores, and even when they do you'll be held back by the graphics card in almost any reasonable budget build.

A R5 1600 costs about the same as a i5-7600K, is less overclockable, and comes behind in most gaming benchmarks, mainly because DX11 is a creaking tower of shit. Single core performance is still the best thing for gaming CPUs, and Intel is still the king of that when you push them both to their limits. At the mid-end, there's little difference. No real reason to go for one or the other.

That said, if you really want to save some cash, the G4560 is bang on, and in most games it's more than enough. Not very future proof, but it is £60. It's certainly more than enough for WoW.

[Thunderball]

edit: picture thing didn't work. http://imgur.com/hPINmuU

That's a very poor spec for a $1200 PC, that's all I can say.

[moremana]

That's a very poor spec for a $1200 PC, that's all I can say.

I concur.

120GB SSD is old school, 250GB Minimum as the cost difference is $20 US sometimes less.

[Pyrophobia]

Overall The Ryzen 1600 is equal to i5-7500 in almost all old game titles. If you add other software working on the side on a heavy game the i5 is going to lose due to less cores.
In modern games Ryzen 1600 will almost always win to i5-7500 even without additional software and when you add that the difference will show.

For future proofing the Ryzen 1600 is way better than i5-7500.
Ryze 1700x can be even better but then the price changes a bit. And then ofc there is i7 that where the price jump is even higher.


the GPU 1060 6GB is in similar price category compared to RX 580 8GB

But the RX 580 has 8 GB of ram and is overall better optimized for newer titles.
If you can afford 1070 8GB then go for it if not i suggest picking RX 580 8 GB instead of the 1060 6GB
comparing the 2 video cards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScs2KH5zVo

[chazus]

Quoting because it looks like people are passing over it

i7 isn't needed for photoshop or programming (Unless the program specifically demands it, and most dont). And unless someone is cranking out literally a video daily, it's not worth the cost in my opinion.

[Lathais]

I really wanted Ryzen to be great, but it's merely OK. Nothing that's going to make Intel drop their prices. Games simply don't use that many cores, and even when they do you'll be held back by the graphics card in almost any reasonable budget build.

A R5 1600 costs about the same as a i5-7600K, is less overclockable, and comes behind in most gaming benchmarks, mainly because DX11 is a creaking tower of shit. Single core performance is still the best thing for gaming CPUs, and Intel is still the king of that when you push them both to their limits. At the mid-end, there's little difference. No real reason to go for one or the other.

That said, if you really want to save some cash, the G4560 is bang on, and in most games it's more than enough. Not very future proof, but it is £60. It's certainly more than enough for WoW.

G4560? For:

I feel like that's exactly what I wanted to hear. thank you!

I just want a regular desktop, but I'm afraid of building my own as I fucked my last one up a bit, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong. Replacing almost every part didn't help - this is why i (probalby too much) stressed the warranty-thing.

If I were to buy a computer without making one, primarily for playing wow/cs, editing video in vegas, programming and photoshop, what minimum specs do you think are required?

I was thinking a 7th gen i7 thing, 16gb ram and at least 250gb ssd with 1 tb on the other hdd, and I don't know anything about gfx

my budget is around $1000, but since I like in Denmark stuff is usually a little more expensive

I don't think so. Since that is part of his requirements, G4560 should not even be considered at all. Ryzen is his best choice, unless he wants to spend twice as much on an i7 build.

[pansertjald]

Hi mmoc

i've been looking at buying a computer. I'm not interested in building myself. I want one with warranty so I can go back and complain when I break it

I have looked at Fujitsu ESPRIMO Q956 - Core i7 6700T 2.8 GHz - 16 GB - 256 GBSSD

This is a so called "Mini computer", but I think it has pretty much the same specs as a normal computer in that same price range.

Do any of you guys hav experience with this brand, or mini computers in general? Noise or space is not a problem to me, but I guess it would be nice to have a less noisy computer

EDIT: I dont care about the form factor, I only linked this because I thought the specs were high for the price. I am no longer looking at it after reading a few comments here. (Thanks a lot) - Input is still appreciated though <3

Hop over here and you will get help in Danish and they all know the best places to buy pre build Computers hwt.dk

This is a really good places in Denmark to buy pre build Computers mm-vision gaming

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Hop over here and you will get help in Danish and they all know the best places to buy pre build Computers hwt.dk

This is a really good places in Denmark to buy pre build Computers mm-vision gaming

The computer I have right now is an mm vision, but the prices increased so much in the last year or two as they gained popularity. top-data seems much cheaper.


I also agree that the builds are expensive for $1200, but thats how pricing in Denmark generally is

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I concur.

120GB SSD is old school, 250GB Minimum as the cost difference is $20 US sometimes less.

you do realize there are a lot of stuff added in the fields below the specs at the top, which increases the cost right?

maybe I just misunderstood your comment

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Overall The Ryzen 1600 is equal to i5-7500 in almost all old game titles. If you add other software working on the side on a heavy game the i5 is going to lose due to less cores.
In modern games Ryzen 1600 will almost always win to i5-7500 even without additional software and when you add that the difference will show.

For future proofing the Ryzen 1600 is way better than i5-7500.
Ryze 1700x can be even better but then the price changes a bit. And then ofc there is i7 that where the price jump is even higher.


the GPU 1060 6GB is in similar price category compared to RX 580 8GB

But the RX 580 has 8 GB of ram and is overall better optimized for newer titles.
If you can afford 1070 8GB then go for it if not i suggest picking RX 580 8 GB instead of the 1060 6GB
comparing the 2 video cards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScs2KH5zVo

I'm not sure where i'll find a pre-built computer with a Ryzen card. can't really find any on danish websites

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i7 isn't needed for photoshop or programming (Unless the program specifically demands it, and most dont). And unless someone is cranking out literally a video daily, it's not worth the cost in my opinion.

gaming and programming are my main things, but I do occasionally do 3d videos for the university i'm studying at.


I feel like my decision here so far is that I don't need an i7 at all. thanks a lot everyone.

Now all I need is to figure out what else I want Ryzen vs i5? And which Ryzen is everyone talking about? Ryzen 5?