Artifact Knowledge cap nerfed to 40

[Deleted]

There is no grind after you get concordance so meh why you all complaining.

So tell me: Why exactly is the first point in concordance so important, but the 10th that basically gives you exactly the same as the 1st isn't?

It takes more AP to get there, but in the end, you will still have a proc of 4,000 stat instead of 2,000. Isn't that better?

It's almost as if you guys can't look beyond the marginal increase of the individual points and look at the bigger picture of how much more power these concordance points will actually give you after you've accumulated a couple...

[Teri]

rip m+ farm, less loots less ap
rip wq noone care about 10m+ ap when u need 3KM for 1 level
rip rated bg for ap, noone care 50m+ when u need 3km for 1 level

rip legion

Even at AK50 you'd hit that same cap, just 10 points later you still hit some wall where you get 250.000.000 and the next trait costs 250.000.000.000+ (1/1000th), or even more.

[Dilbon]

There is no grind after you get concordance so meh why you all complaining.

I'm not complaining, but I'm a bit disappointed, because I was looking forward to getting my offspec weapons filled with 100+ million tokens.

[Thelxi]

It's not that big of a deal imo. The power return on additional concordance levels is pretty low to begin with, this will just decrease the power distance between people even more. I like this version of AP more than the previous one.

[Deleted]

So tell me: Why exactly is the first point in concordance so important, but the 10th that basically gives you exactly the same as the 1st isn't?

It takes more AP to get there, but in the end, you will still have a proc of 4,000 stat instead of 2,000. Isn't that better?

It's almost as if you guys can't look beyond the marginal increase of the individual points and look at the bigger picture of how much more power these concordance points will actually give you after you've accumulated a couple...

The cost of the concordance trait is not like the last filler trait, the cost will increase by about 30 % per trait which means it will quickly cost so much that power gained versus time invested is so low it's just not worth it any more.

[Deleted]

Even at AK50 you'd hit that same cap, just 10 points later you still hit some wall where you get 250.000.000 and the next trait costs 250.000.000.000+ (1/1000th), or even more.

JUST?
ak40 clear only nh normal and hc is 360m ap
ak50 clear only nh normal anc hc was 5B ap

[Teri]

Sometimes i dont get blizzard, and this is one of those moments.
Making the game more alt unfriendly + the AP grind longer.

And what is the positive affect????

Longer? its infinite already, doesn't matter if you hit a wall on 52 or 62 traits, same effect of exponential scaling. Alts will take a few days longer, oh no. Instant AK40 is still better then alts sitting at AK35 and having to wait another 15-25 days.

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JUST?
ak40 clear only nh normal and hc is 360m ap
ak50 clear only nh normal anc hc was 5B ap

Yeah, and you still hit a huge wall on traits costing 100B 1000B 10000B 100000B

Now 1-52 won't be nearly instant 1 days work, whatever, god forbid some work to put in a character instead of complaining "content draught"

[Deleted]

Now 1-52 won't be nearly instant, 1 days work, whatever, god forbid some work to put in a character instead of complaining "content draught"

that's my point, we dont have the FEELING to farm anymore

no ap farm no m+farm anymore, legion is dead cause we are back to Draenor farm requirement

u will log u will do some m+15/20/25 to weekly chest and u log out and log in for raid

[Teri]

that's my point, we dont have the FEELING to farm anymore

no ap farm no m+farm anymore, legion is dead cause we are back to Draenor farm requirement

Well, that's what blizzard intended with AP, a Cap would mean a race, and btw there's people at 57 traits already ,53-57 which in itself costs many times more then 1-52. And that's with less then half the AK (1.8m% vs 4m%)

[MasterHamster]

AK40 is a lot better paced for the current patch and even if it'd be fun for a whole minute or so of having an alt do 1 WQ and gain 40 traits, that doesn't last very long.

But as usual, players complain about numbers they can't put into context.

You cry 'alt unfriendly' as if you had a clue. No, all you see is big bad Blizzard being so evil they cap AK at 4,000,000% instead of 52,000,000~% and that is literally the only thing you take into consideration. 52 > 4!!! That's like, 13 times more farming!


The only difference those extra levels of AK are making in practice is maybe pushing another 2-3 ranks of Concordance (MUH COMPETITIVE!!1) 'on average' before people hit their 'personal cap', but in the meantime makes Artifact progress on alts ridiculous, but AK50 is also extremely poorly paced with 7.2 right now.
Being allowed to jump to AK40 directly on alts feels a lot better than the -5 system too.

[Teri]

Being allowed to jump to AK40 directly on alts feels a lot better than the -5 system too.

This is the best change they made, basicly means you can farm immediately instead of being almost 4x as slow.

[Deleted]

Well, that's what blizzard intended with AP, a Cap would mean a race, and btw there's people at 57 traits already ,53-57 which in itself costs many times more then 1-52. And that's with less then half the AK (1.8m% vs 4m%)

wow is a racegame since they insert realm 1st, so yeah i want a farm game to race better

[Teri]

wow is a racegame since they insert realm 1st, so yeah i want a farm game to race better

Well go farm your 101 traits then if you like it so much, nothing stopping you :P You'd hit a wall anyway regardless of AK 40/50/60

[Deleted]

wow is a racegame since they insert realm 1st, so yeah i want a farm game to race better

Maybe to you and a very small portion of the player-base. Most people take things at their own pace and do things for their own reasons, and don't bother to "race" with others.

[Deleted]

With AK50 the ap grinding would had decreased a lot so Blizzard had to fuck a little bit more his users, nothing new. fun detected, blizzard fixes that

[MasterHamster]

I think people that gets so frustrated that we'll cap at 40 instead of 50 needs to play a few Idle games, to get an idea of how insignificant multipliers can become if the "final" purchases (Concordance) quickly scales out of control.


You can unlock Concordance in a quite comfortable amount of time at AK40, as you're doing the other regular new-dinged alt work, but AK50 just turns the entire Artifact into a minute of pressing traits and then you're almost through the 7.2 traits before you've even unlocked your third relic.

At some point you have to realize that being spoonfed everything you think you want 'right now' is eventually going to decrease your enjoyment instead of increasing it. Doing Suramar quests for insane amounts of AP is only fun if I'm unlocking traits that feel significant along the way for a few hours, not 'Welp I did a questline and I've almost unlocked Concordance'

Too fast isn't fun either. Just look at how leveling is ruined in a similar fashion.

[Daffan]

I said it in another thread and I will say it here again: Blizzard has completely fucked up the reward systems in Legion. With this change they are consolidating that their "new, big system for character progression" is at a certain point:

a) pointless because the reward is practically nothing
b) too grindy to progress anyway

As such, all they are achieving is:

a) people won't bother with their mains (no meaningful reward and too much grind)
b) people will be annoyed with their alts (too much grind)

Exceptional game design right there.

Don't forget WF/TF + trivial welfare content means that unless you pick up a mythic raid schedule you out gear everything in 2 weeks anyway.

[hoofy]

Running my first character to gear up, im kind of pleased I dont have to smash it all the way out.

[Morgaith]

I think people that gets so frustrated that we'll cap at 40 instead of 50 needs to play a few Idle games, to get an idea of how insignificant multipliers can become if the "final" purchases (Concordance) quickly scales out of control.


You can unlock Concordance in a quite comfortable amount of time at AK40, as you're doing the other regular new-dinged alt work, but AK50 just turns the entire Artifact into a minute of pressing traits and then you're almost through the 7.2 traits before you've even unlocked your third relic.

At some point you have to realize that being spoonfed everything you think you want 'right now' is eventually going to decrease your enjoyment instead of increasing it.

It's better to have a sense of "i'm finally done with this weapon" instead of never getting close to finishing it no matter how much you play.

[Deleted]

Maybe to you and a very small portion of the player-base. Most people take things at their own pace and do things for their own reasons, and don't bother to "race" with others.

The DO bother to complain about everything though