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radical christian countries

This is not a thing that exists.
The insistence to treat Islam as any other religion is misguided: its historical context is bound to state building.
The denomination of a country as "Islamic" doesn't come from them hosting a majority of practitioners. It's a fundamental mixing of state with religion, rejecting secularism.
It's a tough nut to crack, because a great deal of our beliefs/culture are intimately tied with how to behave as a society.

[Themius]

I will truly never understand this perspective, that people wouldn't commit terrorism if they had a job (this makes me laugh). This really kills me, saying that someone being in less favorable conditions in another country is why they decided to bomb people on the other side of the planet? Love the lefts mission of pushing "global socialism" by trying to "point this out". Maybe we should just do what Russia did from early 1900s to the end of WW2, worked great for them right? would love me a political prisons, oops i mean "work out camp!".

Seriously though, these people are brain washed, its not because some of them are poor. A lot of these people come from every wealthy families, like the 9/11 terrorists. A lot of them are highly educated, and even educated in western countries, building a couple walmarts and giving them 401(k)s isnt going to stop this shit.

The types of coutnries terrorists are in are usually poor and torn apart, the countries themselves are that way because of economics. Radical African Christian countries are also poor and suffer the same issues.

Malaysia is less poor you don't hear about all these issues happening in fucking Malaysia.

[Freighter]

I think we both know that if you had a good answer you would have given it rather than avoiding the question.

I'm not avoiding any question. It just isn't relevant what my culture is in this discussion as I'm talking about people adapting to x countries culture. That x country can be USA, Canada, France, Germany, Thailand, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Russia or whatever country exists in the world.

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It's an attempt to break down your retarded argument and it seems to be working as you are struggling.

I'm not struggling at all. I don't see the relevance of what my culture is when I say people should adapt to the country they move to. It's totally irrelevant what my culture is, to my argument.

[Themius]

This is not a thing that exists.
The insistence to treat Islam as any other religion is misguided. The denomination of a country as "Islamic" doesn't come from them hosting a majority of practitioners. It's a fundamental mixing of state with religion, rejecting secularism.
It's a tough nut to crack, because a great deal of our beliefs/culture are intimately tied with how to behave as a society.

You wouldn't consider Uganda... a country where gays are burned to death at times, have their names PUBLISHED IN PAPERS making them forced to hide and live in SEWERS where they can be thrown in jail and a country that wanted to recently give them the DEATH PENALTY. All because GOD you wouldn't consider that a radical christian country?

[Dhrizzle]

The west can no longer be blamed though, because enough time has passed for those former colonial colonies to stand on their own two feet.

You know the Iraq war only "ended" about 6 years ago, right?

[PC2]

You wouldn't consider Uganda... a country where gays are burned to death at times, have their names PUBLISHED IN PAPERS making them forced to hide and live in SEWERS where they can be thrown in jail and a country that wanted to recently give them the DEATH PENALTY. All because GOD you wouldn't consider that a radical christian country?

All the more reason for Europe to strengthen the southern border and not take every Ugandan traveler merely because they walked up to Europe.

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You wouldn't consider Uganda... a country where gays are burned to death at times, have their names PUBLISHED IN PAPERS making them forced to hide and live in SEWERS where they can be thrown in jail and a country that wanted to recently give them the DEATH PENALTY. All because GOD you wouldn't consider that a radical christian country?

No.
I would consider that it hosts "radical christian culture". At best.
Not dissimilar to the US of A. Nominally secular, but culturally christian, and passing legislation that is often informed by christian opinion.

[Themius]

You know the Iraq war only "ended" about 6 years ago, right?

"stand on your own two feet" is like such a retarded thing to say... I don't know why Mafic said that lol.

Like look at Iran... issues there stem from the fucking 50s! and our shitty coup with the uk which had ripple effects.

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No.
I would consider that it hosts "radical christian culture". At best.

So only countries that host radical muslim culture can be considered radical countries then?

Is afghanistan a radical country?

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So only countries that host radical muslim culture can be considered radical countries then?

Is afghanistan a radical country?

Radical country is not a thing that exists, no.

[Nitro Fun]

Malaysia is less poor you don't hear about all these issues happening in fucking Malaysia.

I'm going to make a guess here, tell me if I'm close.

You don't hear about the issues because you don't know anyone in malaysia, you don't read news from malaysia and you don't hear many people talking about what's going on there since you live on the other side of the world.

Am I close?

[Lokryn]

I linked an article earlier of a gay person who was beaten and burned to death in Uganda earlier in the thread... these are common occurences in much of very Christian Africa (for which we can blame American fundamentalist) and the carribbean like Jamaica, where there are multiple videos of these sad acts online, simply because they're gay and have insulted god.

That's nuts. I grew up in a Christian home and have been around a lot of different Christian circles and I can tell you that murdering someone for any reason is definitely not encouraged at all. I don't see how we can blame American missionaries, all of them that I've met have been very loving people. It must be a radical fringe group (just like Islamic terrorists).

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Malaysia is less poor you don't hear about all these issues happening in fucking Malaysia.

Malaysia has other problems because of radical Islam. Notably the Bhumiputra majority who set laws against non-Muslim and non-indigenous citizens that prevents them from getting high paying jobs or educations. This is on top of archaic social policies and an Islamic legal system. Essentially a "moderate" Muslim country that has openly created a non-Muslim underclass.

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I used to work in Malaysia and I lived there as a child.

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I linked an article earlier of a gay person who was beaten and burned to death in Uganda earlier in the thread... these are common occurences in much of very Christian Africa (for which we can blame American fundamentalist) and the carribbean like Jamaica, where there are multiple videos of these sad acts online, simply because they're gay and have insulted god.

Gay hate is not a strictly religious issue. There have been plenty of cases where gay people were killed for shits and giggles by irreligious people.

[Themius]

I'm going to make a guess here, tell me if I'm close.

You don't hear about the issues because you don't know anyone in malaysia, you don't read news from malaysia and you don't hear many people talking about what's going on there since you live on the other side of the world.

Am I close?

You are not close I look into Malaysia quite often and they really do not suffer the major issues that other Muslim countries do.They have less issues, they don't have active domestic terrorism groups like many other countries.

[Themius]

That's nuts. I grew up in a Christian home and have been around a lot of different Christian circles and I can tell you that murdering someone for any reason is definitely not encouraged at all. I don't see how we can blame American missionaries, all of them that I've met have been very loving people. It must be a radical fringe group (just like Islamic terrorists).

Uganda was Christian and wasn't SUPER FUNDAMENTAL christian... American fundamentalists made their brand of Christianity more popular in Uganda which has led to the total shit show we have now there.

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An eight-year-old girl, who was described by her school as “simply beautiful”, was the youngest fatality named so far of the suicide bomber who struck at the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester.

Saffie Rose Roussos was one of 22 children, teenagers and adults who died in an attack which left at least 59 people suffering shrapnel wounds from the blast.

Saffie, a pupil at Tarleton Community primary school near Preston, Lancashire, was with her mother Lisa and sister Ashlee Bromwich to watch Grande, who counts children from primary age through to their late teens as fans.

It is understood Saffie’s mother and sister are being treated in hospital.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...chester-attack

[Dhrizzle]

How is it racist? Prejudiced, maybe; but Muslim isn't a race and speaking of them as if they are is idiotic.

"Racism" as a term has expanded to include prejudice against people for reasons including race, ethnicity, nationality and religion.

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Gay hate is not a strictly religious issue. There have been plenty of cases where gay people were killed for shits and giggles by irreligious people.

That is kind of @Themius' point.
The "illiberal beliefs" that supposedly we're introducing into Europe are not strictly religious in nature. If they were, you'd have to consider Themius' whatabouts.

(Though I think considering Islam as just a religion is a bit insulting).

[Freighter]

"Racism" as a term has expanded to include prejudice against people for reasons including race, ethnicity, nationality and religion.

The first 2, okay since it's not a choice. The third one, yeah, sure, to some extent. But the 4th one? No, that's a choice.

Someone hating on me because of my religion is really not the same as someone hating on me because of race, ethnicity or nationality.

[PC2]

Uganda was Christian and wasn't SUPER FUNDAMENTAL christian... American fundamentalists made their brand of Christianity more popular in Uganda which has led to the total shit show we have now there.

Ugandans don't seem to be blowing themselves up in the US thus there is no policy problem we can solve in this case.