2 explosions in Manchester Arena - CONFIRMED Fatalities.

[PC2]

Why are people still talking about refugees. The guy was born in the UK.

Because the ideology that motivates homegrown radicals is being supplemented by millions of people coming from MENA. If you cant control the fire you don't add a million more logs.

[Theodarzna]

You're completely full of shit if you think Manchester has been broken by this attack.

Considering the plan is to roll over, do nothing and act like it didn't happen, I'd say Manchester is doing the same thing a batter wife who never leaves does. Can't exactly get much more broken.

[Deleted]

And then those (who are likely higher in number) die anyway. Sorry but I'm not pathetic and think a human value increases because of a side of a border they are from.

There are about 60 million refugees.
Many have lived in refugee camps for years.
You speak as if this is a solvable problem with dire consequences for doing nothing.

[Dug]

What type of argument is that? Are you saying that there aren't people willing to pull the trigger?

The 'other side' seems to have a limitless number of people willing to murder children and innocent civilians, so I guess our civilization is doomed?

Idk, do we have people willing to throw aside what little morals and ethics we apply to warfare to do "what needs to be done"? We have internet bad asses by the thousands but do we have people that will actually do it?

[Shadowmelded]

Because the ideology that motivates homegrown radicals is being supplemented by millions of people coming from MENA.

Seems specious.

[Granyala]

Why are people still talking about refugees. The guy was born in the UK.

So he is a good example of a culture that doesn't want to assimilate and that rejects tolerance.

If we can't even deal with the ones that are Generation II, what makes people think mass importing more of them is a good idea?

[Sky High]

You can still choose to ignore them if you want to. There is nothing that forces an obligation on you to take refugees, nobody will act against you for ignoring it.

what part of: "we hold ourselves to this standards" are you not getting?

[Deleted]

the wold isn't SK in case you forgot, we have treaties and laws we chose to abide by decades and centuries ago.

No, the refugee charter was agreed after ww2 and related specifically to ww2 refugees.
Then some 'Smart' people decided to extend that to everyone, everywhere in the 70's.
Since then all western governments have pretended to give a shit more or less successfully.
And i think we should end it - It's always been a lie anyway.

[Freighter]

what part of: "we hold ourselves to this standard" are you not getting?

So stop doing that if it's detrimental.

[Barnabas]

Based on the last few attacks it seems there's some issue with 2nd Generation immigrants and integration. Possibly that awkward half way house between their parents culture and the culture they grow up in, perhaps a rejection by both, making them easy pickings for ISIS and the like.

What links it all together is Islam. If Christians were doing this I'd say the same thing. They become "radicalized."

[tankbug]

It's cool that it will take a century according to you? We'll all be dead by then. Not cool.

You and I will probably be dead, indeed. Most likely because of age. If you mean that everyone is dead because of terror, I find that very hard to believe. People aren't pissed off and scared of terrorist because so many people die. The death count is low. But it's because the deaths are cruel, violent, meaningless and the terrorists are attacking our way of life.

[Sky High]

So stop doing that if it's detrimental.

for Europe? sure, they should examine them and make changes. for the US? I see no reason to.

[Freighter]

You and I will probably be dead, indeed. Most likely because of age. If you mean that everyone is dead because of terror, I find that very hard to believe. People aren't pissed off and scared of terrorist because so many people die. The death count is low. But it's because the deaths are cruel, violent, meaningless and the terrorists are attacking our way of life.

Why should someone accept that something might fix itself after they're dead? I'd want something fixed long before I'm dead.

[Deleted]

Nope.

Our own supreme court fined our government €5000/day per refugee it wasn't offering shelter and food, because of being lawfully bound.

Wasn't that overturned by the ECJ?.

[Venant]

for Europe? sure, they should examine them and make changes. for the US? I see no reason to.

Not wanting whats happening in Europe to happen in your own country seems like a good enough reason.

[Dhrizzle]

Considering the plan is to roll over, do nothing and act like it didn't happen, I'd say Manchester is doing the same thing a batter wife who never leaves does. Can't exactly get much more broken.

Which just shows your ignorance. For the families of the people killed it's a terrible thing, for a city of ~a million people it's a slight shock. Other than supporting the victims, grieving the lost and hoping security forces can stop similar events in the future there isn't a lot that needs to be done by the people of Manchester.

[tankbug]

Why should someone accept that something might fix itself after they're dead? I'd want something fixed long before I'm dead.

So do I! I want that every problem we have on earth is fixed in my lifetime.

[Freighter]

So do I! I want that every problem we have on earth is fixed in my lifetime.

I hope you understand that saying "Don't worry, this will be fixed after you're dead" won't make people who are currently alive feel better about the situation.

[Pengekaer]

Why are people still talking about refugees. The guy was born in the UK.

I can only answer for myself.

But I believe it has something to do with people being angry at the government for failing to protect its citizens. The 'refugees' are relevant in this context because the governments of Europe has developed a poor habit of accepting tens of thousands of them, while knowing next to nothing about them (and oftentimes loosing track of them). Even in xenofobic Denmark, there are literally thousans we cannot account for. Xenofobic and overly strict indeed, huh?

Under the consideration that ISIS and the likes have proudly stated that they are using the migrant-flux as a highway into Europe - and I have no reason to not believe them, people are getting the impression that their governments are not taking the lives of their sons and daughters seriously. At least not as seriously as the desire for a multicultural society forged in the wake of perpetual migration. The bill will come due, at least my spider sense tells me.

[Khaza-R]

Which just shows your ignorance. For the families of the people killed it's a terrible thing, for a city of ~a million people it's a slight shock. Other than supporting the victims, grieving the lost and hoping security forces can stop similar events in the future there isn't a lot that needs to be done by the people of Manchester.

The fact you described the killing of 22 (10 children) people by terrorism a, "slight shock" should illuminate the problem.

Even in the Middle East, terrorist attacks aren't considered as a slight shock.