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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Prossy View Post
    Too be honest Capitalism has been out of control for a long time, our air/land and water has been polluted for a long time and is continued to be polluted to save costs resulting eco systems being lost, species rapidly becoming extinct and constantly being poisoned.
    This has been true under Socialism, this is not a unique feature of capitalism and is more the result of having limited resources.

    Living wise thousands of jobs being moved to 3rd world countries because it's cheaper to make in sweatshops and transport them. For example our clothes are being made to next to nothing and after they are transported to 1st world countries with "magic" of branding they slap their logo on and they suddenly worth alot of money.
    I fully agree TBH, but IMO this is more the result of bad government policy than trade itself. Also, what's wrong with brands.

    Granted we need Capitalism to provide the "carrot on a stick" and reward people for hard/smart work but we also need socialism in order to balance it out and provide jobs for people in order to work and homes for people to live in and to stop people from privatising everything especially human right needs like food/water/healthcare/education and infrastructure.
    Capitalism is not only about the carrot on a stick (it's part of it certainly), but more about producing an efficient allocation of resources. It's not 100% efficient and it's susceptible to a lot of errors, but I think it's the best we got.

    Me personally like the idea of a Science Directorate where Scientists are in charge over seeing politcal needs instead of the political elites screwing people over to line their pockets
    Scientists are not immune to normative beliefs and I'd argue their lack of understanding in the issues only makes them worse leaders.

  2. #42
    It's great and we enjoy many fruits from capitalism. It still requires regulation and society benefits greatly from safety nets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSandman View Post
    Are you against it, for it, or neutral? Do you feel that the corporations should have the control? Do you prefer fair trade or free trade?

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  4. #44
    I dig it.

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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by jfhsgtresg View Post
    A necessary evil until we learn that paper and numbers on a computer screen dont mean shit!

    When we live in a Star Trek esque universe where things can be summoned thanks to replicators then capitalism will be consigned to the dustbin but until then like i said a necessary evil!
    If material goods get a price of 0 because they can be massively produced at no cost, then what becomes relevant work is services that only other people can perform. Even the service of fixing the damn machines if they break.

    My country, in the past year, have been opening petshops, pillates studios and pizza places like crazy.

    Also, paper and "numbers on a screen" are trade symbols of services (meaning, OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME) and material goods...

  6. #46
    I like to be able to buy shit when I need it. That's about as deep as I can get about this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    "Capitalism" is essentially the right to own money and property. I don't think anyone can object to that.
    Yes, of course one can. I do. And we could have an entire monstrously long thread discussing that.

    But I think we're more supposed to keep to the more practical side of capitalism in this thread, because discussion of the hypothetical definition is very quickly going to go into philosophy and become really dumb really fast.


    Quote Originally Posted by Silvercrown View Post
    I like to be able to buy shit when I need it. That's about as deep as I can get about this matter.
    I'm pretty sure you can get more deep about this matter.

    Would you also like not being able to buy shit when you need it?
    Imagine a world where you don't have to buy shit that you need, you just have the shit that you need for free, and only shit that you want but don't need costs money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoat View Post
    Yes, of course one can. I do. And we could have an entire monstrously long thread discussing that.

    But I think we're more supposed to keep to the more practical side of capitalism in this thread, because discussion of the hypothetical definition is very quickly going to go into philosophy and become really dumb really fast.




    I'm pretty sure you can get more deep about this matter.

    Would you also like not being able to buy shit when you need it?
    Imagine a world where you don't have to buy shit that you need, you just have the shit that you need for free, and only shit that you want but don't need costs money.
    Do you propose a different economical system then, what is your alternative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hombregato View Post
    I really don't get the idea that all state intervention is necessarily socialism. The Saudis nationalized their oil and I'm sure a lot of pinkos here do not think that they are in some shape or form a socialist nation.
    State intervention is kind of...literally the definition of socialism.
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  10. #50
    We give tax intensives to corporations to behave in certain ways, it isn't socialism, but it isn't exactly Free Market Capitalism either. In Europe they have Keynesian Economics, functions much more like a planned economy.

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    I think it's great.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by bewbew View Post
    If material goods get a price of 0 because they can be massively produced at no cost, then what becomes relevant work is services that only other people can perform. Even the service of fixing the damn machines if they break.

    My country, in the past year, have been opening petshops, pillates studios and pizza places like crazy.

    Also, paper and "numbers on a screen" are trade symbols of services (meaning, OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME) and material goods...
    and when we can make robots do that shit? Even Mcdonalds is now going full robot service now!

    Where will we get to a point when what we make noone can afford so we either stop producing or just let people have shit for free cause we have reached that goal?

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    That was actually a good read.

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    What do you truly have to say?

    You only get one life in this world so how do you feel spending that one and only life?

    Do you prefer to suck some rich mans cock in the hope you will one day get to be that rich man? Or do you learn that this whole thing is just a giant lie?

    I saw Trumps new budget and if that shit ever gets passed (it wont btw) then that cunt will be first in line to the chopping block cause that dumb cunt didnt learn the lessons of history!

  15. #55
    No Capitalism and no First Amendment would mean no WoW. No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    There is no alternative to a market system. It's the only workable way to solve the problem of economic calculation. Of course controls and government can be layered on top, but trying to abandon the market completely is disastrous.
    Well, the control can (and must) be layered on top - capitalism without laws and law enforcement rarely works.

    But the control can either make the situation better or worse (leading to crony capitalism); or some combination of those.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hombregato View Post
    I'd really like to emphasize that redistribution is not a socialist concept by itself, this notion that for some reason has plagued America's political discourse really needs to die.
    Agreed. The misuses of "socialist" to mean anything beside its actual definitions are a constant problem.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by jfhsgtresg View Post
    and when we can make robots do that shit? Even Mcdonalds is now going full robot service now!

    Where will we get to a point when what we make noone can afford so we either stop producing or just let people have shit for free cause we have reached that goal?
    Robots need programs and maintenance.

    No matter how much is given by free without any human labor, there will be services that people will trade theirs hours, in exchange for other people's hours.

    That is what money really is. Other people's time, effort or materials.

    To interpret it is as "numbers on a screen or some paper" is really missing the point.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Alefnir View Post
    No Capitalism and no First Amendment would mean no WoW. No thanks.
    What does one have to do with the other?

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    How dyou feel about people in the congo, with no education, who had never heard of America until yesterday, should have the same rights as peoples here who have died for our country?. Our people have a fucking culture, most of our parents have been involved in ww2, that's a big fucking deal so fucking deal with it. Sorry but your new wave stuff has no effect on our values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    How dyou feel about people in the congo, with no education, who had never heard of America until yesterday, should have the same rights as peoples here who have died for our country?. Our people have a fucking culture, most of our parents have been involved in ww2, that's a big fucking deal so fucking deal with it. Sorry but your new wave stuff has no effect on our values.

    Most of our relatives were involved in ww2, you cant ever come at us like that.
    I think you meant to post this in a different thread.

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