1. #2001
    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Most people doing that usually want some kind of final solution.
    "You people" seem to work a lot with Assumptions. That is usually a sign of Smartness.

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    "You people" seem to work a lot with Assumptions. That is usually a sign of Smartness.
    I have to be quite drunk to get down to the necessary level of intelligence required to communicate with people like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    What did the Iraqi people do to deserve the carnage George W. Bush (Blair) unnecessarily forced on them? What did the poor children that America bombed recently in Syria deserve? They were at a school...

    Your argument about morality is illogical.
    So you are arguing that it is morally right to turn a blind eye to a dictator that is brutalizing his own people than to do something about it? It is that exact apologist mentality that led to the rise of ISIS and the current instability in Syria.

    Innocent people sometimes die when trying to stamp out an evil threat like ISIS. It is utterly false to lay the blame for those deaths on anyone other than ISIS.

    Had we applied your logic to WWII, then Nazi Germany would now rule Europe. Countless millions of innocents died in that war, but you cannot morally argue that the war wasn't just.
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  4. #2004
    Quote Originally Posted by matt4pack View Post
    How many Muslim kids have Muslims killed over the last 20 years? Yeah you don't give a damn about that I'm sure. It's the west's fault for derka derka jihab.
    I mean, the Reagan administration did arm the mujahideen, so yeah, kind of our fault there.

  5. #2005
    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    I have to be quite drunk to get down to the necessary level of intelligence required to communicate with people like you.
    bahaha- sad!

  6. #2006
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    bahaha- sad!
    Not really, a few glasses of wine on an english summer's day in good company is pretty fun.

    Of course communicating with people like you is always depressing, so i concede your point.

  7. #2007
    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    So you are arguing that it is morally right to turn a blind eye to a dictator that is brutalizing his own people than to do something about it?
    You mean like Saudi Arabia? If Saddam padded lobbyist pockets like the Saud's do and made nice-nice with the oil then he'd probably still be in power to this day.

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    How many Muslim kids have Muslims killed over the last 20 years? Yeah you don't give a damn about that I'm sure. It's the west's fault for derka derka jihab.
    Did it ever occur that you might be as bad as they are?

  9. #2009
    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    No, it wasn't. Iraq was well on it's way to becoming ISIS-light. Moderates don't build extravagant mosques in their own name, or attach "God is great" to the national flag.
    No but they do let women work or drive. Hussein was not driven by religion. He was a big fan of Stalin (which is problematic by itself) and was more interested in unquestioned rule and having a nice cult of personality.

  10. #2010
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    No but they do let women work or drive. Hussein was not driven by religion. He was a big fan of Stalin (which is problematic by itself) and was more interested in unquestioned rule and having a nice cult of personality.
    If not for weapons purchased from the USA during the war with Iran, Saddam's regime would have quickly collapsed either through Iranian conquest or some kind of coup. We were also selling weapons to Iran at the same time, because what else would we be doing?

  11. #2011
    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    So you are arguing that it is morally right to turn a blind eye to a dictator that is brutalizing his own people than to do something about it? It is that exact apologist mentality that led to the rise of ISIS and the current instability in Syria.

    Innocent people sometimes die when trying to stamp out an evil threat like ISIS. It is utterly false to lay the blame for those deaths on anyone other than ISIS.

    Had we applied your logic to WWII, then Nazi Germany would now rule Europe. Countless millions of innocents died in that war, but you cannot morally argue that the war wasn't just.
    What does the USA have to do with it? World police eh?

    Look at what happened after the West intervened to take down Gaddafi. Now the country is shambles and divided between 3 parties. Slavery is rampant now over there and it has become a port to export "refugees" to Europe.

    The regular American should stop buying the BS the media/politicians/bankers/etc sell them, for the sake of the world population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    So you are arguing that it is morally right to turn a blind eye to a dictator that is brutalizing his own people than to do something about it? It is that exact apologist mentality that led to the rise of ISIS and the current instability in Syria.

    Innocent people sometimes die when trying to stamp out an evil threat like ISIS. It is utterly false to lay the blame for those deaths on anyone other than ISIS.

    Had we applied your logic to WWII, then Nazi Germany would now rule Europe. Countless millions of innocents died in that war, but you cannot morally argue that the war wasn't just.
    US foreign policy has never been about sustaining and supporting democratic regimes, it spent much of the latter half of the 20th Century overthrowing them to install friendly fascists on the basis of stopping a 'domino effect'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    No but they do let women work or drive. Hussein was not driven by religion. He was a big fan of Stalin (which is problematic by itself) and was more interested in unquestioned rule and having a nice cult of personality.
    He was interested in unquestioned rule but he also intensified the islamification of Iraq in an effort to tighten his grip. Hussein's implementation of Sharia and public executions is well documented.
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  14. #2014
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    US authorities leaking primary evidence to US media : https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ls-photos.html

    Wankers, the lot of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSM View Post
    What does the USA have to do with it? World police eh?

    Look at what happened after the West intervened to take down Gaddafi. Now the country is shambles and divided between 3 parties. Slavery is rampant now over there and it has become a port to export "refugees" to Europe.

    The regular American should stop buying the BS the media/politicians/bankers/etc sell them, for the sake of the world population.
    Liberals in Europe and the US argue that we have a moral responsibility to take refugees from these regions, that we have a moral obligation to feed/provide medical care, housing assistance globally to the needy, that we owe poor countries loans and aid to combat climate change, that we should give other countries economic bail outs and loans. All this in the name of being moral and just.

    And yet...if we help save people from murderous dictators, that somehow falls into a different category of "world police"?
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  16. #2016
    Quote Originally Posted by ctd123 View Post
    US authorities leaking primary evidence to US media : https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ls-photos.html

    Wankers, the lot of them.
    The nyt and the post do wtf they want to do nowadays........

  17. #2017
    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    Liberals in Europe and the US argue that we have a moral responsibility to take refugees from these regions, that we have a moral obligation to feed/provide medical care, housing assistance globally to the needy, that we owe poor countries loans and aid to combat climate change, that we should give other countries economic bail outs and loans. All this in the name of being moral and just.

    And yet...if we help save people from murderous dictators, that somehow falls into a different category of "world police"?
    Those liberals are stupid. The "conservatives" that fall for the "we have to save them from themselves" trap are equally stupid.

  18. #2018
    Al Queda, ISIS network, multiple arrests. Guess that lone wolf crazy person theory didn't pan out.
    Last edited by Xandrigity; 2017-05-24 at 06:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    Liberals in Europe and the US argue that we have a moral responsibility to take refugees from these regions, that we have a moral obligation to feed/provide medical care, housing assistance globally to the needy, that we owe poor countries loans and aid to combat climate change, that we should give other countries economic bail outs and loans. All this in the name of being moral and just.

    And yet...if we help save people from murderous dictators, that somehow falls into a different category of "world police"?
    We expect you to clean up your own shit. It isn't a difficult concept to understand.

  20. #2020
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    The nyt and the post do wtf they want to do nowadays........
    Its bang out of order. Amber Rudd should go after the cunts after the immediate crisis is over.

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