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http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...NjX?li=BBnbfcL
Carrier Plant Where Trump 'Saved' Jobs Plans Layoffs
And here is the original story. Including mention of the 7 million in incentives Indiana (Mike Pence) gave carrier to keep the jobs. Nice jobA plant where jobs were purportedly saved by Donald Trump ahead of his inauguration is set to make at least 600 staff cuts, many before Christmas.
Carrier had opted in December 2016 not to move a number of jobs to Mexico from its Indianapolis furnace factory, following a visit to the plant by Trump. The president claimed he had convinced Carrier to retain 1,100 jobs in Indianapolis rather than outsourcing them in Mexico. And of those 1,100 jobs Trump spoke of, 300 had reportedly never been threatened with a move to Mexico—meaning a total of 800 jobs had been saved.
But the company has since announced that at least 600 employees at the factory will still be laid off, with the final 290 job cuts coming just ahead of Christmas.
In a filing seen by CNN, the company announced it would be making an initial 338 job cuts in July, four in October and a further 290 jobs on December 22, just three days before Christmas.
During a press conference at Carrier, Trump said: “that big, big beautiful plant behind us… will be even more beautiful in about seven months from now. They're so happy. They're going to have a great Christmas. That's most important.
He added: “And that these companies aren't going to be leaving anymore. They're not going to be taking people's hearts out. They're not going to be announcing, like they did at Carrier, that they're closing up and they're moving to Mexico, over 1,100 jobs.
“And by the way, that number is going to go up very substantially as they expand this area, this plant. So the 1,100 is going to be a minimum number,” he said.
The plant said at the time the number of jobs saved was closer to 800, but explained it would be replacing some of the jobs that were saved with an automated system in order to save money, although CEO Greg Hayes did say there would be less money saved by the company in doing so than if they moved production to Mexico.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/b...jobs.html?_r=0
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2017-05-24, 08:20 AM #1The Lightbringer
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About Those Carrier Jobs Trump "Saved"
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2017-05-24, 08:40 AM #2Pit Lord
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Who cares. Trump was voted in to restore White America (not sinister or anything). If born again Christians can pretend to accept Trump as second coming of Jesus, who are we to complain.
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2017-05-24, 09:41 AM #4Titan
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Anyone with a brain knew that was merely a political stunt to win over the dim witted. It worked. More or less the govenor of the state threw money at them to keep the jobs around for a few months. EVERYONE that bothed with facts was well ahead of this. Anyone that disagreed with it then (and likely even now) is fake news because the election was really about angry white people believing corrupt angry white people where somehow better because they were white.
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2017-05-24, 10:46 AM #5The Undying
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Indiana government throws taxpayer money at Carrier to keep the jobs around.
Trumpkins insist that Trump (not even being in office) was directly responsible for this, heckle "libtards" for disagreeing.
"Libtards" point out the truth of this deal, that it's enough money to keep the jobs around for a few months.
Trumpkins heckle more, praise the glory and greatness of Trump, say that these jobs will still be around because Trump is going to do something once in office to keep them there.
Trump does nothing but stroke his own ego/dick, jobs are lost, just as "libtards" predicted.
It kind of sucks feeling vindicated since it's people's livelihoods, but it's these people losing their livelihoods that voted for Trump as if he was the second cumming of Jesus.2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
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2017-05-24, 12:31 PM #6Over 9000!
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Automation > Outsourcing
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Why is the tax payer paying this company to automate, better than outsourcing? A deficit is better than nothing? Originally Posted by Hombregato
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2017-05-24, 01:29 PM #8Over 9000!
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Automation: Shift to other jobs. Originally Posted by Felya
Outsourcing: Shift to unemployment.
From the worker's perspective one is clearly better than the other. Also efficiency gains from automation >"efficiency gains" of outsourcing.
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2017-05-24, 02:07 PM #9Void Lord
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You'll notice how the net result of this is taxpayer funds in Indiana being funneled into the pockets of the company that is laying off the staff and moving jobs to Mexico.
We're going to get a new "told you so" sign, this one is already worn out.
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They're doing both, silly. Starting with the second. Originally Posted by Hombregato
You think those automation related jobs can't be outsourced? Surely Mexico couldn't provide labour that could run an assembly line for electronic equi... oh wait. Originally Posted by Hombregato
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Which is what happens all the time across America, but from the start hundreds of jobs were still going to be lost.You'll notice how the net result of this is taxpayer funds in Indiana being funneled into the pockets of the company that is laying off the staff and moving jobs to Mexico."Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."
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Yea i would question the notion that the move to automation is merely a shift to other jobs as well. Im sure some people may get a job but im the aggregate its still unemployment for most. Carrier is.not going to hire 800.other people to run their robots. Id be surprised if they hired 1. Originally Posted by Hombregato
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Not necesarily a shift into better jobs, but alas having a job>no job. Originally Posted by Glorious Leader
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They're so happy. They're going to have a great Christmas.
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What? There is no shift to other jobs... the point is they are still getting laid off. If they could get other jobs, then outsourcing wouldn't be a problem. What an absurd assertion... Originally Posted by Hombregato
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People still live in towns/cities. In automation those getting laid off are still able to find jobs where they live, in outsourcing this isn't the case. Originally Posted by Felya
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Okey, I counter with... Originally Posted by Hombregato
People still live in towns/cities. In outsourcing those getting laid off are still able to find jobs where they live, in automation this isn't the case.Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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Originally Posted by Felya
http://economics.mit.edu/files/11564Local labour markets with greater exposure to trade competition experience differentially large declines in manufacturing employment, with corresponding growth in unemployment and non-employment. The employment decline is not limited to production jobs but instead affects all major occupation groups, including a notable decline in managerial, professional and technical jobs. Employment losses are particularly large among workers without college education, for whom we also observe employment declines outside the manufacturing sector which may stem from local demand spillovers. While trade exposure reduces overall employment and shifts the distribution of employment between sectors, exposure to technological change has substantially different impacts, characterised by neutral effects on overall employment but substantial shifts in occupational composition within sectors. In particular, we find that susceptibility to technological change predicts declining employment in routine task-intensive production and clerical occupations both in the manufacturing and non-manufacturing sectors. For most demographic groups, these declines in routine employment are largely offset by increasing employment in abstract or manual task-intensive occupations which tend to comprise the highest and lowest paid jobs in the economy. One exception is among women, for whom the reduction in routine-occupation employment translates to an overall decline in employment. Concurrent with the rapid growth of US imports from China, the effect of trade competition on the manufacturing sector has become stronger over time, while the effect of technological change on employment composition in the manufacturing sector has subsided. Conversely, the impact of technology on the non-manufacturing sector is growing as technological change seems to be shifting from automation of production in manufacturing to computerisation of information processing in knowledge-intensive industries.
My statement might change in the future, but in this case it still applies.
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