A Question For Trump Supporters. Is Everyone Lying?

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'm not going to dissect most of what you said, but there have been multiple instances where the Trump camp has either denied or not disclosed information about associates meeting wth Russian officials- meetings that were later confirmed after being uncovered by the media. Is their lack of transparency either suspicious or worrisome to you?



This is what really irks me. Not just from you, but from the right-wing media that drives it too.

You can rail against the MSM. I don't care. You can rage against liberals (often completely misrepresenting the liberal viewpoint). Whatever.

You don't get to decide who is or isn't a "real" American. Rush Fucking Limbaugh and his ilk don't get to decide who is a "real" American.

The thing is, they seem to believe that their ideology and their ideology alone is what determines what a real American is. That doesn't denote what a real American is, or what being loyal to the country is. They are loyal to an ideology, to a party. They are not loyal to our country and our values, despite their claims.

When it was revealed that Russians actively interfered in our election (Not claiming any kind of collusion with this, just that we know Russians interfered), in the face of indesputable proof of this, they just flat out started JUSTIFYING the interference. Thinking that foreign influence in our election is perfectly fine is... decidedly not American.

They are loyal to their party, to their president. We are loyal to our country.

[want my Slimjim]

He did, his very own words, several times. I'm not sure how you don't know this fact. Donald Trump admitted to firing Comey because of the Russia investigation. How do you not know this?

Firing someone isn't saying he admitted it in his own words.

[Sky High]

Right, the part where he talked about it in an interview with NBC and bragged to the Russians that this was the reason is him admitting it.

nah ya see that's Trump playing 5D chess with the media!

[want my Slimjim]

Trying to shut down investigations and firing someone because they refused to shut down said investigation are both something Trump has admitted to doing.

Both are obstructions of justice.

Ergo...?

It's not an obstruction, Comey didn't have evidence and was wasting everyones time. Thats not saying he obstructed, until Trump says the line I obstructed justice, there's no reason to believe he's done anything wrong. Just is just plain paranoia on the leftists​ part.

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Right, the part where he talked about it in an interview with NBC and bragged to the Russians that this was the reason is him admitting it.

No it's not.. it still isnt

[cubby]

Firing someone isn't saying he admitted it in his own words.

Except he did admit why he fired him. And Trump said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He obstructed justice, which is a felony. And Trump admitted to doing it, himself.

None of this is a "media-sponsored" lie - they are words taken directly from Trump's mouth. As someone else said, we don't need a Superman to take out Trump, Clark Kent can do it himself by writing factual stories about what Trump does and says.

[Sky High]

It's not an obstruction, Comey didn't have evidence and was wasting everyones time. Thats not saying he obstructed, until Trump says the line I obstructed justice, there's no reason to believe he's done anything wrong. Just is just plain paranoia on the leftists​ part.

laying it on pretty thick here, hope you typed that out with a grin. cuz I'm sure as hell grinning reading it. I mean save nothing for the fact we know flynn was a acting as a foreign agent for Turkey and Trump asked Comey if he could drop it cuz.... reasons?

[want my Slimjim]

Except he did admit why he fired him. And Trump said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He obstructed justice, which is a felony. And Trump admitted to doing it, himself.

None of this is a "media-sponsored" lie - they are words taken directly from Trump's mouth. As someone else said, we don't need a Superman to take out Trump, Clark Kent can do it himself by writing factual stories about what Trump does and says.

it not obstruction. He fired him for not not doing his job. Comey had had just as much going on for the Russian investigations as someone trying to do an investigation on if santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or if the tooth fairy is real. That's how much basis this Russian investigation has. It's not obstruction.

[Sky High]

it not obstruction.

that's not for you to decide. clearly.

[want my Slimjim]

laying it on pretty thick here, hope you typed that out with a grin. cuz I'm sure as hell grinning reading it. I mean save nothing for the fact we know flynn was a acting as a foreign agent for Turkey and Trump asked Comey if he could drop it cuz.... reasons?

Logical reasons other then the Ludacris and ridiculous notion that Trump was somehow trying to obstruct justice

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that's not for you to decide. clearly.

Trumps actions dont even match it.

[Acidbaron]

That's bullshit. It's not your patriotic duty to blindly support the President just because he won.

It is in matter of fact the opposite, patriotism means country before the rest this includes every person in elected office if they are a harmful factor for the nation.

[Sky High]

Logical reasons other then the Ludacris and ridiculous notion that Trump was somehow trying to obstruct justice

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Trumps actions dont even match it.

we get it, you're having a giggle, but you have to be more clever than this bud. because we know Flynn is probably going to go to jail for a very long time thanks to acting as a foreign agent and not telling anyone about it. and the fact Trump told Comey to NOT look into him is a pretty glaring case of trying to obstruct justice, Trump might not realize that because he's an ignorant buffoon, but that's not an excuse, for us real people anyway.

[Shadowferal]

Trumps actions dont even match it.

The I guess you're grateful for Mueller, depite Trump being so against his appointment.
He'll prove to us all how "innocent" he is.

[Cthulhu 2020]

It's not an obstruction, Comey didn't have evidence and was wasting everyones time. Thats not saying he obstructed, until Trump says the line I obstructed justice, there's no reason to believe he's done anything wrong. Just is just plain paranoia on the leftists​ part.

Trump shoots someone on fifth avenue, and even admits he shot the person.
"Trump may have shot that man, but until he says 'I murdered that person' there's no reason to believe he's done anything wrong."

He asked Comey to end the investigation into Russian ties. He also admitted that he fired Comey because he wouldn't stop the investigation. That's pretty clear cut obstruction of justice. We know you don't define it as such, but at least you've blatantly admitted that you're loyal to an ideology, rather than this country.

[Edge-]

Trump shoots someone on fifth avenue, and even admits he shot the person.
"Trump may have shot that man, but until he says 'I murdered that person' there's no reason to believe he's done anything wrong."

He asked Comey to end the investigation into Russian ties. He also admitted that he fired Comey because he wouldn't stop the investigation. That's pretty clear cut obstruction of justice. We know you don't define it as such, but at least you've blatantly admitted that you're loyal to an ideology, rather than this country.

Let's also not forget the immortal words of Nixon, "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

[want my Slimjim]

Trump shoots someone on fifth avenue, and even admits he shot the person.
"Trump may have shot that man, but until he says 'I murdered that person' there's no reason to believe he's done anything wrong."

He asked Comey to end the investigation into Russian ties. He also admitted that he fired Comey because he wouldn't stop the investigation. That's pretty clear cut obstruction of justice. We know you don't define it as such, but at least you've blatantly admitted that you're loyal to an ideology, rather than this country.

Him admitting to firing him for bogus investigations isn't obstruction. It's justice. And God bless Trump for it, if Comey wasn't having such a hissy fit, we might have gotten shit done by now

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Let's also not forget the immortal words of Nixon, "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

Seemed to happen alot in Obama and Hillarys case, unlike Trump.

[Shadowferal]

Some in the Senate obviously don't trust Trump with the military; Senators make new push to rein in Trump's military powers

Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Tim Kaine (D-Va.) are joining forces to reintroduce an Authorization of the Use of Military Force against the Islamic State and other terror groups, aiming to assert more congressional power over the post-9/11 war on terror. Elsewhere in the Capitol, Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) are unveiling legislation Thursday that would halt a small portion of offensive weapons sales to Saudi Arabia inwhat Trump’s White House has touted as a $110 billion deal.

The bipartisan efforts aren’t new. Flake and Kaine pushed for an AUMF debate two years ago after President Barack Obama sent lawmakers his own draft of military authorization amid the conflict in Syria. And last fall, Paul forced a vote on a separate arms sale to the Saudis in Obama’s final months in office.


But the renewed efforts show real appetite among Democrats and Republicans to rein in some of the new president’s authority on matters of war, which came into focus with Trump’s missile strikes in Syria last month after a chemical weapons attack that killed dozens, including children.


Trump earned broad praise for the strikes from Capitol Hill, but lawmakers also warned against escalating military action abroad without first getting the approval of Congress. The White House has operated under war resolutions passed by Congress in 2001 and 2002.

[Toppy]

Him admitting to firing him for bogus investigations isn't obstruction. It's justice. And God bless Trump for it, if Comey wasn't having such a hissy fit, we might have gotten shit done by now

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Seemed to happen alot in Obama and Hillarys case, unlike Trump.

My god, you can't be serious.

[Shadowferal]

I said it before, you really can't talk to Trump Zealots.
Congress could, (and will likely prove) Trump's treason beyond any question. But the zealots will still bitch about how it's all fake.

[Orbitus]

People against Trump trying to impeach him. They're the enemies of this country.

HAHAHAHA you are fucking hilarious.

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Seemed to happen alot in Obama and Hillarys case, unlike Trump.

Name 1 thing that Hillary or Obama did, that is even close to obstruction of justice. I dare you. Mind you, you cannot go back to the email server, it wasn't illegal at the time she had it and the FBI cleared her. But I dare you to find one thing that is even close to what Trump did.

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My god, you can't be serious.

He is entirely serious. Apparently he can be a proud confederate supporter, even though he grew up in fucking Sweden. Pretty much polar opposites right there.

[Lenonis]

It's an amazing world we live in where rabid Trump supporters don't even believe what Trump says in their support of Trump.

I just don't even know what to say to that at this point.