New Enh Shoulder

[Azgeir]

Is it just me or does the new enh legendary shoulder not seem to be working?? I've been beating a dummy for maybe an hour in total and i havent seen a single proc. When I switch to the new ele gloves, which does basically the same thing, it gives almost 100% uptime on Ascendance.

[chesder]

Is it just me or does the new enh legendary shoulder not seem to be working?? I've been beating a dummy for maybe an hour in total and i havent seen a single proc. When I switch to the new ele gloves, which does basically the same thing, it gives almost 100% uptime on Ascendance.

The proc rate is very low and the ability it's latched onto is one that, in most cases, would only cast every 6 or 7 seconds at most. Those two things compiled together make it a low uptime.

The Elemental ones are based on spells that are also barely cast, but the proc rates are much higher leading to the uptime you see.

All in all the Enhance version of this legendary is by far one of the worst added since Ascendance on it's own for the spec is borderline useless. Unlike Ele, which opens up Lava Burst for spam, Enhance just gains a slight damage buff to Stormstrike and a cost reduction.

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doesn't work on ptr atm

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The proc rate is very low and the ability it's latched onto is one that, in most cases, would only cast every 6 or 7 seconds at most. Those two things compiled together make it a low uptime.

The Elemental ones are based on spells that are also barely cast, but the proc rates are much higher leading to the uptime you see.

All in all the Enhance version of this legendary is by far one of the worst added since Ascendance on it's own for the spec is borderline useless. Unlike Ele, which opens up Lava Burst for spam, Enhance just gains a slight damage buff to Stormstrike and a cost reduction.

Wtf so much text and still no answer.

I have tested it and it didnt work at all. Additionally i would suggest it is up to simcraft to show whether it is worth. The new ring is pretty weak and Ascendance is a suvstential dps gain. If you get 10sec Ascendance/minute, it definitely beats EOTN on single target and can be considered BIS.

[chesder]

Wtf so much text and still no answer.

I have tested it and it didnt work at all. Additionally i would suggest it is up to simcraft to show whether it is worth. The new ring is pretty weak and Ascendance is a suvstential dps gain. If you get 10sec Ascendance/minute, it definitely beats EOTN on single target and can be considered BIS.

No answer? It has a low proc rate, off a low use ability. It won't proc often.
Also, not sure about sims, but EoTN is just flat damage boost while Ascendance is not. Ring will be better in more situations than not

[Azgeir]

The proc rate is very low and the ability it's latched onto is one that, in most cases, would only cast every 6 or 7 seconds at most. Those two things compiled together make it a low uptime.

The Elemental ones are based on spells that are also barely cast, but the proc rates are much higher leading to the uptime you see.

I know 10% chance is pretty low, however from my testing as ele, their gloves didnt proc that much from earth shock, which is a 20% chance, but from earthquakes, which have the same proc rate of 10%. In addition to that, of maybe 13 earthquakes, only one of them didnt proc the gloves. I ran with the legendary shoulders that gives a free earthquake from time to time, and basically every single one of said earthquakes procced the gloves. This could even happen before the last application of ascendance ran out, so I had 12 sec of ascendance left. When i tested the enh shoulder, i did so with my normal rotation with tier 20 to begin with, but switched to only using rockbiter to see if i could even get a proc... Nothing happened.

[Gromthak]

No answer? It has a low proc rate, off a low use ability. It won't proc often.
Also, not sure about sims, but EoTN is just flat damage boost while Ascendance is not. Ring will be better in more situations than not

He asked if they were working on the PTR or not, which they don't. So yeah, you didn't answer his question at all.

[chesder]

He asked if they were working on the PTR or not, which they don't. So yeah, you didn't answer his question at all.

They did work for me when I popped on earlier when they were first put up. I don't know what's changed since then though. All I can give is my input on the basic testing I did with some guildies and they procced very little.

[Gromthak]

They did work for me when I popped on earlier when they were first put up. I don't know what's changed since then though. All I can give is my input on the basic testing I did with some guildies and they procced very little.

They haven't worked since they appeared on the vendors. Stop making shit up.

[Nitwit]

No answer? It has a low proc rate, off a low use ability. It won't proc often.
Also, not sure about sims, but EoTN is just flat damage boost while Ascendance is not. Ring will be better in more situations than not

It's a 10% proc rate for 10s of ascendance uptime. In other words, each rockbiter gives +1s of ascendance uptime on average.

So on this example Krosus parse:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=11

The shaman would have gotten ~55s of ascendance uptime on average (perhaps a bit less since you don't need to hit rockbiter as much during ascendance). That's basically 4 full uses of ascendance in a 5 min 16s fight, where you'd normally get 2 with the talent. That's not to say the legendary is worth double the talent (it's not even close to that, since the procs are randomly distributed instead of aligned with other cooldowns, and we still don't know if the legendary procs will reset SS's cooldown like manually using the talent does), but they're pretty good. Easily interchangable with our other good legendaries.

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Yes 10% isnt low at all. It has much higher uptime than the talent and you cannot align with CDs that good, but it is possible. The talent simmed around 5% dps increase with about 30 sec uptime in my sims.

When i look at current sims, RB is used every 6.71sec -> on average one proc every 70 sec -> it can easily outvalue the talent Ascendance.

The real problem is the new ring. It is sooooooo bad. I simmed it and OC is a 1% dps gain over no talent, ESL less than 3%. Considering the lower item budget, that ring is very very bad. The shoulders look absolutely fine and might even see a nerf.

[Nitwit]

Yes 10% isnt low at all. It has much higher uptime than the talent and you cannot align with CDs that good, but it is possible. The talent simmed around 5% dps increase with about 30 sec uptime in my sims.

When i look at current sims, RB is used every 6.71sec -> on average one proc every 70 sec -> it can easily outvalue the talent Ascendance.

The real problem is the new ring. It is sooooooo bad. I simmed it and OC is a 1% dps gain over no talent, ESL less than 3%. Considering the lower item budget, that ring is very very bad. The shoulders look absolutely fine and might even see a nerf.

Doubt they'd need a nerf. They're on par with EoTN and slightly worse than Akainu.

edit: apparently the sim does assume the procs reset SS cooldown.

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Doubt they'd need a nerf unless each proc also resets SS cooldown (not modeled in the sim like that). They're on par with EoTN and slightly worse than Akainu.

Eh what is this based on? Sims?

It is very hard to calculate its value. Eotn isnt that strong

[Nitwit]

Eh what is this based on? Sims?

It is very hard to calculate its value. Eotn isnt that strong

It's stronger than EotN in isolation, but EoTN pairs better with Akainu since Rockbiter and Lava Lash compete against each other for GCDs.