Legion - Assassination Discussion

[Creamz]

i was top dps as assa rogue at today mythic testing. Going with Alacrity, Leg Ring + Boots. Since we only reached execute Phase once on both bosses, i guess on live servers i will go for boots + bracers.

I had 2 other rogues in my grp which played outlaw and sub. Outlaw just sucks in the long run, as well as sub.

So for progress reasons i will go assa again and switch to outlaw/sub for farm.

My Guild is in the world top 80 though.

I hope you guys can do anything with these informations. I will reach 52 Traits on all 3 Specs when Tos hits the servers. Going for atleast 60 in assa though.

Greetings

[RobertoCarlos]

i was top dps as assa rogue at today mythic testing. Going with Alacrity, Leg Ring + Boots. Since we only reached execute Phase once on both bosses, i guess on live servers i will go for boots + bracers.

I had 2 other rogues in my grp which played outlaw and sub. Outlaw just sucks in the long run, as well as sub.

So for progress reasons i will go assa again and switch to outlaw/sub for farm.

My Guild is in the world top 80 though.

I hope you guys can do anything with these informations. I will reach 52 Traits on all 3 Specs when Tos hits the servers. Going for atleast 60 in assa though.

Greetings

Greetings

Your information is very helpful.

I will take it on board, I am in a guild too.

Perhaps you could be so kind to post some logs so we can do even more with this data.

Thank you

[elfporn]

i was top dps as assa rogue at today mythic testing. Going with Alacrity, Leg Ring + Boots. Since we only reached execute Phase once on both bosses, i guess on live servers i will go for boots + bracers.

I had 2 other rogues in my grp which played outlaw and sub. Outlaw just sucks in the long run, as well as sub.

So for progress reasons i will go assa again and switch to outlaw/sub for farm.

My Guild is in the world top 80 though.

I hope you guys can do anything with these informations. I will reach 52 Traits on all 3 Specs when Tos hits the servers. Going for atleast 60 in assa though.

Greetings

Thank you for your opinion and the anecdotal support you've provided.

Extensive testing with a single setup on a ptr that has yet to go through numbers tuning(despite the recent aura adjustment) during a fight that is available primarily for testing encounter mechanics is perfectly viable for reaching conclusions on dps for when the patch goes live.

You can't get better testing than that.

[Lady Velvet]

I just got the legendary shoulders today and I have a rotation question since I see most rogues with that legendary run Nightstalker.
Prior to getting the shoulders I always ran the Subterfuge talent. So now that I got the shoulders I wanted to ask why people pick Nightstalker? Do they open up with Mutilate to take advantage of the talent's 50% increased damage and the legendary's 100% crit chance?

Thanks in advance!

[shaunika123]

I just got the legendary shoulders today and I have a rotation question since I see most rogues with that legendary run Nightstalker.
Prior to getting the shoulders I always ran the Subterfuge talent. So now that I got the shoulders I wanted to ask why people pick Nightstalker? Do they open up with Mutilate to take advantage of the talent's 50% increased damage and the legendary's 100% crit chance?

Thanks in advance!

because you vanish with envenom and it 100% crits for like 4,5 mil

[Lady Velvet]

because you vanish with envenom and it 100% crits for like 4,5 mil

Thanks. But back to the opener question, do I open with Mutilate? Or Garrote?

[shaunika123]

Thanks. But back to the opener question, do I open with Mutilate? Or Garrote?

yes, you open with garrote

just check warcraftlogs for the proper opener :P

[Cyanix]

because you vanish with envenom and it 100% crits for like 4,5 mil

What movie ?

[omeomorfismo]

What movie ?

more than 910IL and high mastery/vers 5CP+vendetta+surge of toxins 5CP+concordance or how is called in english the last trait

[shaunika123]

What movie ?

the one where you have decent gear

[AceofH]

whats the thoughts on the legendary helm thats coming 7.2.5?

[Cyanix]

the one where you have decent gear

Well i'm not exactly naked either, or am i ?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/fr-fr/ch...argeras/cyanix
https://www.wowprogress.com/characte...argeras/Cyanix

Even with prolonged power pots, under vendetta/5cp SoT i cannot reproduce this kind of damage you're talking about, even with the upgraded legionfall proc.

In other words: other than Skorpyron vuln. phase, i'd be inclined to call this a little "optimistic". Logs or it didn't happen.

[shaunika123]

Well i'm not exactly naked either, or am i ?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/fr-fr/ch...argeras/cyanix
https://www.wowprogress.com/characte...argeras/Cyanix

Even with prolonged power pots, under vendetta/5cp SoT i cannot reproduce this kind of damage you're talking about, even with the upgraded legionfall proc.

In other words: other than Skorpyron vuln. phase, i'd be inclined to call this a little "optimistic". Logs or it didn't happen.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=63

max crit 5 mil

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=5

max crit 4.6 mil

i mean... it's not like star augur has a vulnerability phase

[Cyanix]

Well there must be some kind of magic behind those numbers.

Maybe i should press my keys harder.

*After checking the logs, it appears that 910ilv wont even cut it.
4M+ envenom crits are ~920ilvl territory.
Far, far away from what the average rogue is experiencing.

[Deleted]

Well there must be some kind of magic behind those numbers.

Maybe i should press my keys harder.

*After checking the logs, it appears that 910ilv wont even cut it.
4M+ envenom crits are ~920ilvl territory.
Far, far away from what the average rogue is experiencing.

im 907 equipped and im critting for 4M with prepot+flask+mastery food so u are definetly doing something wrong.

edit: looked at your armory, are u playing subterfuge or nightstalker? becouse u have to use nightstalker to crit 4m on vanish-envenom

[shaunika123]

Well there must be some kind of magic behind those numbers.

Maybe i should press my keys harder.

*After checking the logs, it appears that 910ilv wont even cut it.
4M+ envenom crits are ~920ilvl territory.
Far, far away from what the average rogue is experiencing.

none of those guys are in 920

im in 913 and i can easily get 4.2-3 mil envs

[Cyanix]

im 907 equipped and im critting for 4M with prepot+flask+mastery food so u are definetly doing something wrong.

edit: looked at your armory, are u playing subterfuge or nightstalker? becouse u have to use nightstalker to crit 4m on vanish-envenom

Using subterfuge because in the end it sims and performs better, but that would indeed explain some things

[RobertoCarlos]

Well there must be some kind of magic behind those numbers.

Maybe i should press my keys harder.

*After checking the logs, it appears that 910ilv wont even cut it.
4M+ envenom crits are ~920ilvl territory.
Far, far away from what the average rogue is experiencing.

One or two envemon relic traits in wep I could easily see those numbers imo. I'm not far off 4mill with a vanish+ns envemon but I have rupture traits in wep

[Cyanix]

You'll want Vendetta relics anyway. Especially if you have leg boots.

Big envenom crits are nice and dandy, but as i said, in the end it's your dps that matters, not a super crit every 2 minutes.
5 CP rupture lasts for 24 seconds. It can crit up to 1M+ (and a lot more with bracers)
Garrote with subterfuge lasts for 18 seconds and can also crit for 650k+

[RobertoCarlos]

Nah vendetta relics are rubbish for dungeons. I run high m+ every week. I have all legends, I normally use shoulder/bracer for dungeons and shoulder/boots for raid with CoF which is more than enough cooldown reduce on vendetta. Also vendetta trait scaling was nerfed quite heavily.

And its not just a big crit gimmick its legit damage, its a few more mill to already tight timers so naturally it works out as a lot of damage when you get in 2 or 3 windows