Top End guilds quitting

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...ate_new_guild/

And you only have to maintain 2 alts this time, but they're raiding 7 days a week, 6 hours a day. Now that's fucking retarded.

[Draenox]

The current version of the game is simply changing the standards of how this game will/should be played on the top level I think. The AP grind, TF and legendary RNG is very incompatible with the way top guilds have been approaching the game for several expansions now.

A full blown hardcore playstyle coupled with an essentially infinite grind is the recipe for burnout.

[Deleted]

And you only have to maintain 2 alts this time, but they're raiding 7 days a week, 6 hours a day. Now that's fucking retarded.

Previously they were raiding 12/16h a day during the first week. 6 hours a day seems pretty "reasonable" given their previous raiding schedule.

[Mamut]

Let me quote something about Serenity:

Several Serenity members joined Method recently, but it doesn't seem to be the end. Slootbag confirmed on Twitch that they're forming a new guild for Mythic Tomb of Sargeras progression on Twisting Nether (EU), but they haven't decided the name just yet.

According to a reddit post, they won't be competing for world firsts and instead, they're looking for a place in the Top 10 - 20. Time commitments will be 50% less than what they were in Serenity and each raider only needs to maintain 2 geared characters (down from 5).

WF guilds require to maintain several geared alts and people are surprised some of them just collapse due roster issues? How many people can/want afford to spend so much time on few characters? If you wanna make WoW your second job dont blame others for this but only yourself.

Do we really need alot of WF guilds? I dont think so, people seems to be alot happier in less hardocre guilds in the long run.

[Brewhan]

Can't believe there is 18 pages about people which affect no ones lives and I bet, most of those people in guild do not know you guys exists unless you are in somewhat close-relationship to them.

of course they know we exist we are either the trolls in their twitch chat or people donating for them to play video games live for our entertainment. panhandling at its finest in 2017.

[Dangg]

most of those people in guild do not know you guys exists unless you are in somewhat close-relationship to them.

How is that a valid argument? The majority of news is about people who aren't even aware you exist.

[frychikn]

im sorry if this comes off as troll, but why do people care so much about other people who no life this game and probably live horrible life styles? shouldnt top end guilds NOT be publicized a lot due to just how unhealthy it looks?

[Tomana]

im sorry if this comes off as troll, but why do people care so much about other people who no life this game and probably live horrible life styles? shouldnt top end guilds NOT be publicized a lot due to just how unhealthy it looks?

FWIW, high-end raiding is probably the only thing clearly differentiating WoW from the rest of its clones. Which is why Blizzard sinks so much resources into it.
So the top raid guilds act like an ambassador of sorts for the above.

[Brewhan]

im sorry if this comes off as troll, but why do people care so much about other people who no life this game and probably live horrible life styles? shouldnt top end guilds NOT be publicized a lot due to just how unhealthy it looks?

im with this give this man a medal.

[Deleted]

im sorry if this comes off as troll, but why do people care so much about other people who no life this game and probably live horrible life styles? shouldnt top end guilds NOT be publicized a lot due to just how unhealthy it looks?

There's a strong alpha-culture in male gaming communities. They tend to want to show they're the top dog. It's all just posturing. So all the little gamer boys want to be like the boys in the top guilds so they flock to their twitch streams and end up following and paying for their lifestyle. Every now and then the top guys drop some some bones their way (by perhaps hosting a stream from a good looking female gamer) or doing 'something insane' that requires a 'mad elite skillz'. That impresses the little gamer boys, who then in turn go to the sandboxes in their own yards and argue heatedly with their little gamer friends trying to be the local sandbox top-alpha-dogs.

Blizzard understands and feeds this dynamic, because it makes them money.

[Devilyaki]

Would love to meet the lfr player that has a higher item level than a mythic raid lol

[Bullarkie]

Not surprising because of the RNG and the fact that it's nearly impossible to switch characters due to legendaries. If they want to compete at a high level they're pretty much forced into buying accounts.

[Kindahuge]

I'm all for it. They're all no-lifer faggots who need to get out of the way as Blizzard paves the way for a more pleasant and fun action experience for players of all skill levels. The world firsters really need to go the fuck away, and guilds who attempt to hit these records should be repeatedly reset/have their gear stripped for weeks on end until more casually paced guilds have a chance to see the same content.
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[Fevyz]

I'm all for it. They're all no-lifer faggots who need to get out of the way as Blizzard paves the way for a more pleasant and fun action experience for players of all skill levels. The world firsters really need to go the fuck away, and guilds who attempt to hit these records should be repeatedly reset/have their gear stripped for weeks on end until more casually paced guilds have a chance to see the same content.

Did you even remotely think about what you just wrote or did you just turn your brain off and write random shit. Casually paced guilds see the exact same content as the hardcore guilds. Try hitting a punching bag to get rid off your anger instead of commenting on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

[Kuruption]

I'm all for it. They're all no-lifer faggots who need to get out of the way as Blizzard paves the way for a more pleasant and fun action experience for players of all skill levels. The world firsters really need to go the fuck away, and guilds who attempt to hit these records should be repeatedly reset/have their gear stripped for weeks on end until more casually paced guilds have a chance to see the same content.
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Did one of them steal your e-girlfriend?

[Smag]

Did one of them steal your e-girlfriend?

Why not e-boyfriend? Or did you just assume his/her gender and/or sexual orientation? And I thought this was a safe space.... /s

Yes, the current legendary/AP system is not very hardcore (even more for WF) friendly, when you don't have alts per say, but multiple mains. Catch up mechanics won't do you any good, especially with legs. So it's logical that there will be a smaller player pool to choose from to fill WF raids. Hence guilds falling apart/going "just" hardcore.

Also, being a member of a hardcore WoW guild is one thing. Being a member of a WoW division of an E-sports organazation (ex.: Method) is another thing. Building a brand name helps. Sco was not the problem, he was the solution! *mind blown*

Exorsus will be WF anyway, though. VPERED, REBYATA !

[Wildtree]

Would love to meet the lfr player that has a higher item level than a mythic raid lol

Probably won't find one.
The only way to get very close to mythic gear range is to farm the Sentinax until you're blue in the face.
Here's a little math example:

We assume that you need an average of 25 purchases per slot to get a ilvl 920 proc.
That's 15 ilvl 920 tokens X 25 attempts = 375 X 5000 Nethershards = 1.875 million shards.
(The vendor sells 13 slots, but you need 3 relics, hence 15 tokens)
It is therefore really possible to get mythic geared without ever setting foot into mythic Nighthold.
IF, we however try to gear with the goal to get as close as it possibly gets to 100% optimized stat balance for our toon, the farming of Nethershards will continue even longer.

Anyway, to address the OP whether top guilds quit or not, who gives a shit?
It's those people's lives. Mind your own business.
If you make other people's actions responsible for your own decisions regarding the/a game, you have other problems. Serious problems even.
Lots of top raiders aren't one trick ponies either. They engage in eSports with a variety of activities/games.
Just look at yourself, and try to be better at what you already do.

[Ebalina]

Probably won't find one.
The only way to get very close to mythic gear range is to farm the Sentinax until you're blue in the face.
Here's a little math example:

We assume that you need an average of 25 purchases per slot to get a ilvl 920 proc.
That's 15 ilvl 920 tokens X 25 attempts = 375 X 5000 Nethershards = 1.875 million shards.
(The vendor sells 13 slots, but you need 3 relics, hence 15 tokens)
It is therefore really possible to get mythic geared without ever setting foot into mythic Nighthold.
IF, we however try to gear with the goal to get as close as it possibly gets to 100% optimized stat balance for our toon, the farming of Nethershards will continue even longer.

Anyway, to address the OP whether top guilds quit or not, who gives a shit?
It's those people's lives. Mind your own business.
If you make other people's actions responsible for your own decisions regarding the/a game, you have other problems. Serious problems even.
Lots of top raiders aren't one trick ponies either. They engage in eSports with a variety of activities/games.
Just look at yourself, and try to be better at what you already do.

No man.
People like to point out flaws there for you can't tell people "be better at what you do" when every one can just find some one to portray as bad/stupid/what ever and feel good about them self while looking down on other people.

[Raiju]

There's a strong alpha-culture in male gaming communities. They tend to want to show they're the top dog. It's all just posturing. So all the little gamer boys want to be like the boys in the top guilds so they flock to their twitch streams and end up following and paying for their lifestyle. Every now and then the top guys drop some some bones their way (by perhaps hosting a stream from a good looking female gamer) or doing 'something insane' that requires a 'mad elite skillz'. That impresses the little gamer boys, who then in turn go to the sandboxes in their own yards and argue heatedly with their little gamer friends trying to be the local sandbox top-alpha-dogs.

Blizzard understands and feeds this dynamic, because it makes them money.

This paragraph was so charged I feel like you've been scarred by a 'top dog' at some point in your life.

Show us on the doll where Slootbag touched you

[Battlebeard]

You can't be a raidlogger anymore, now you have to do endless grinds for AP and Legendaries. How can ANYONE play hardcore anymore. Legion sucks.