Who are Muslim extremists trying to convince?

[Mosotti]

In fact, a nationalist extremist and a islamist share the same mindset. And the bigger danger for america currently comes from nationalist extremists.

Can you please present a list of national extremists that blew themselves up in the middle of a crowd? Or maybe killed some gay people in a club?

[Allybeboba]

Someday ISIS will be WASWAS.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

theyre trying to convince their god.

unfortunately that's what drives them. Religious prejudice.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Independent voter]

It surely can't be the victims or their families. And what are they trying to convince us of? What is the point in spreading their [insert god here] by murdering people? Has anyone actually tried to understand their logic or is it completely nonsensical?

Aside from the obvious barbarism I don't think I've ever read anything that touches on the mentality of these people. I know religion is brainwash and these people are afflicted at a young age but what is the end game? Are they really told they get 40 virgins if they suicide bomb or what?

It seems to me that they have no issues corrupting the natives so I don't think that's it.

Their goal is bring about the End Times, since we're not "good Muslims" we won't be joining them in Heaven anyways, it doesn't matter if they kill us or not, we're just a means to an end.

We have all kinds of crazy religious people in the US and I know a lot of them, the thinking has to be similar.

[xenogear3]

They get 72 virgins in heaven.
If you are poor and unmarried, you will do anything for that ! I know I would.

The reward for Christian and Buddhism is just eternal life. (Buddhism is not even eternal).
It is not very clear what else they get.
They are not as good as 72 virgins.

I guess it is high risk high reward.
Christian and Buddhism are safe, but low reward.

If you are interesting in religion, FF13 and Xenogear (my user name) explained really well.
After WW2, Japanese thought a lot about the meaning of life.

[MrLachyG]

It surely can't be the victims or their families. And what are they trying to convince us of? What is the point in spreading their [insert god here] by murdering people? Has anyone actually tried to understand their logic or is it completely nonsensical?

Aside from the obvious barbarism I don't think I've ever read anything that touches on the mentality of these people. I know religion is brainwash and these people are afflicted at a young age but what is the end game? Are they really told they get 40 virgins if they suicide bomb or what?

It seems to me that they have no issues corrupting the natives so I don't think that's it.

they aren't trying to convince anyone. their endgame is to create fear and prejudice against normal Muslims so that it is easier to radicalise them. and it works oh so well, just look at the comments section of any terrorism story and you will see a lot of scared people calling for all Muslims, not just the extremist ones, to "go back where they came from"

[Deleted]

Can you please present a list of national extremists that blew themselves up in the middle of a crowd?

I am from germany. See our history.

Or maybe killed some gay people in a club?

Putin lets one of his pawns run a concentration camp in chechenia, where they torture and kill gay people. Russia, the blueprint for american nationalists as well, removed the rights for gay people. They allow family violence, and even changed the law exactly for that only. A husband in russia may completely legally torture his wife.

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What does nationalism have to do with; gay and transsexual people,democracy, women rights and violence?

Well, the right fights gay people and their rights, they fight emancipation and feminism. They want woman back to the stoves. That is literally the same as forcing woman to wear nikabs. At the end, both nationalist bigots and islamists wish to reduce the rights of woman.

Muddling these waters further by calling any opinion you disagree with an extreme is detrimental to both the danger of terrorism and the adjective extreme on its own.

But the right wing followers, in special the alt right, are extremists. They ask for literally the same as islamists do. And they use each other as scapegoat and bogeyman. The alt right uses almost every muslim as a replacement for the jews the nazis used, no matter if the percentage of islamist terrorists is really low compared to those who are muslims. The islamist abuse the image of a western imperalist, whos soldier rape muslim woman.

And yes, america has a bigger problem with fascist minds than with islamist terrorists currently. Just see all the hillbillies that voted trump into office, with all his racist lies and prejudices.

[Deleted]

But his pawn is a muslim leader in a muslim country.

No, actually he is putins pawn, and just follows his orders. He is the just a governor of putins grace. And Putin himself surely is no muslim and oppresses the gay minority in russia.

Like what?

Well i talked about fascist minds and used a very well fitting example.

[Deleted]

Some of the best democracies in the world are very nationalistic, and are some of the societies where gays, women and people have the most freedoms.

what countries are this?

[Deleted]

Some of the best democracies in the world are very nationalistic, and are some of the societies where gays, women and people have the most freedoms.

Which democracy do you actually call nationalistic? And sorry to say that, but no, russia is not democractic.

Bah, he is letting the Muslims have their "fun" so they wont be a huge nuisance like they used to be. Lets be clear, its the Muslims in that nation that are killing and imprisoning homosexuals.

Seems you just dont know that Chechenya is being ruled by a russian governor. And all that guy does is to please his leader. And it seems, Putin has no problems with a concentratio camp in his province.

Also you forgot that Putin himself oppresses the gay people in russia. Is there any special reason you ignore that fact?

And Putin is a nationalist.

[Tic Tacs]

It surely can't be the victims or their families. And what are they trying to convince us of? What is the point in spreading their [insert god here] by murdering people? Has anyone actually tried to understand their logic or is it completely nonsensical?

Aside from the obvious barbarism I don't think I've ever read anything that touches on the mentality of these people. I know religion is brainwash and these people are afflicted at a young age but what is the end game? Are they really told they get 40 virgins if they suicide bomb or what?

It seems to me that they have no issues corrupting the natives so I don't think that's it.

I guess they are just having fun just like when you play games, what is the logic behind you playing computer games? None.

[Allybeboba]

I am from germany. See our history.



Putin lets one of his pawns run a concentration camp in chechenia, where they torture and kill gay people. Russia, the blueprint for american nationalists as well, removed the rights for gay people. They allow family violence, and even changed the law exactly for that only. A husband in russia may completely legally torture his wife.

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Well, the right fights gay people and their rights, they fight emancipation and feminism. They want woman back to the stoves. That is literally the same as forcing woman to wear nikabs. At the end, both nationalist bigots and islamists wish to reduce the rights of woman.



But the right wing followers, in special the alt right, are extremists. They ask for literally the same as islamists do. And they use each other as scapegoat and bogeyman. The alt right uses almost every muslim as a replacement for the jews the nazis used, no matter if the percentage of islamist terrorists is really low compared to those who are muslims. The islamist abuse the image of a western imperalist, whos soldier rape muslim woman.

And yes, america has a bigger problem with fascist minds than with islamist terrorists currently. Just see all the hillbillies that voted trump into office, with all his racist lies and prejudices.

Even this thread has turned into an American and nation bashing thread. Tsk tsk.
Surely you have proof of these accusations.

[Kokolums]

It surely can't be the victims or their families. And what are they trying to convince us of? What is the point in spreading their [insert god here] by murdering people? Has anyone actually tried to understand their logic or is it completely nonsensical?

Aside from the obvious barbarism I don't think I've ever read anything that touches on the mentality of these people. I know religion is brainwash and these people are afflicted at a young age but what is the end game? Are they really told they get 40 virgins if they suicide bomb or what?

It seems to me that they have no issues corrupting the natives so I don't think that's it.

They believe their actions are how to conquer the world. That's it.

[Deleted]

Well, the right fights gay people and their rights, they fight emancipation and feminism. They want woman back to the stoves. That is literally the same as forcing woman to wear nikabs. At the end, both nationalist bigots and islamists wish to reduce the rights of woman.

Okay, I see now - you have no idea what 'the right' is..

Right wing usually refers to more "conservative" or "regressive" views (as in wanting things to stay the same or return to how they used to be). It is characterized by a belief in the natural selfish nature of humans and the view that achievement is equivalent to worth. The government should stay out of people's affairs and not force the more productive citizens to subsidize the less productive citizens. Taken to its logical conclusion, right wing politics becomes either anarcho-capitalism (libertarian wing) or some form of Fascism (authoritarian wing, although many Neo-Fascists would describe themselves of taking a Third Position, between capitalism and socialism)

NOTE from someone reading this (please re read the above paragraph)- Not all right wing thinkers think this way. Some believe that a positive outcome is achievable as opposed to the negative that is portrayed in the above statement.

You should probably try to educate yourself, you seem as ill-informed and opressive towards other ideas as the 'extremists' you seek to describe.

[Fastlane_hellscream]

not really, bad people will have something else.

i mean, the two worst thing that happened in the world, WW1 WW2, was not a religious reason or motivation.

You can't possibly be serious? Jews...millions dead...they were of one religion...Hitler was about as extreme as it gets...religious extremism is exactly what the wars were about...Hitler wanted to rule the world...Isis wants to rule the world...not a coincidence.

It wasn't anti-christian like muslim extremism, but don't let that fool you into thinking religion wasn't involved.

[Rennadrel]

The problem is that education standards aren't exactly up to the same standards as the rest of us, so people aren't smart enough to know the difference between right and wrong and what is sheer stupidity or radical fanaticism. You'd find a lot less of this in the west where we are educated, but because these people often come from low to zero educational backgrounds, they are banking on the ignorance and lack of will by the people to garner support. I know enough Muslims who think these terrorists are depraved animals, the lowest form of man and are heathens of their own faith. They do not represent their religion entirely, but a loud mouthed minority that has gained notoriety because of their violence and extremism. They are only trying to prove that their vision of Islam is the true vision of the Prophet Muhammad and Allah, while the honest Muslim people are denying the extremist views of the Wahhabi, Salafi and the overall Sunni version of Islam, which is the ultra conservative component. The Salafi movement started in the 19th century and is essentially what ISIS is in physical form, a modern day representation of Muhammad's army which conquered much of North Africa and the Middle East. The Wahhabi movement is essentially what allowed the House of Saud to rise to power and eventually form what we now know as Saudi Arabia. While the Wahhabi's and Salafi's might not be directly linked, both are derivatives of Sunni Muslims. Unfortunately Sunni's make up the largest portion of Muslims worldwide, and in that, they are trying to prove that their version of Islam, where Abu Bakr is the First Caliph and not Ali Talib, who the Shia's believe is the First Caliph.

[Coulrophobia1989]

It's not "Muslim extremists" it's simply extremists. Stop conflating the two together. Even Muslims hate ISIS. We don't consider the KKK as a part of Christianity, so don't conflate groups like ISIS or the AQAP as Muslim related groups.

[Aleksej89]

Terrorism creates excellent excuses for governments to give money to weapon companies and it also benefits oil companies since sand countries often have those resources to steal.
Also it keeps people focused on the evil enemy in the sands instead of fighting the corrupt politicians and greedy corporations.

[Astalnar]

Why do you think they want to convince anyone? They believe they are right, and the rest of us is wrong, if not outright evil. According to their religion the West does not belong to Dar al-Islam, and thus they need to change that. Through peace with immigration, through fire and brimstone with terrorism. The end goal remains the same.

[Deleted]

Well, I was born a muslim and have had a long study on theology.

you see, Religions sell things that are not delivered until afterlife, the payment for each reward is different. if you dacrifice your life to kill infidels, its rewardes with almost all possibl moves on a tube site, a big garden and rivers of wine.

best business ever, pay and get the product after death!