Why can't ISIS be defeated?

[Macaquerie]

China is communist in name only. They have a thriving capitalist system there now as part of a mixed economy. It became clear that actual communism could not work, so they abandoned it.

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ISIS is a quasi-government. They control land and the economic resources within that area. Military force is an eminently suitable means to destroy such an enemy.

Wipe them off the map and you'll have guerilla organizations, but these can be suppressed by other means.

The thing is though, it doesn't actually serve anybody's interest to remove ISIS because as long as they're there we can, to paraphrase Tony Montana, just point the finger and say those are the bad guys. If they're gone, then we have to worry about how to re-establish law and order while respecting the rights of ethnic minorities while preventing another round of sectarian conflict and all the rest. And really, that's just too complicated to deal with, especially since nobody really gives a shit about the people there and spending all this time trying to sort out their problems is not something anyone wants to be doing. Easier just to keep ISIS around, do a couple airstrikes, torture some folks, project strength, get everyone waving the flag at home, good times for all.

[Osmeric]

The thing is though, it doesn't actually serve anybody's interest to remove ISIS because as long as they're there we can, to paraphrase Tony Montana, just point the finger and say those are the bad guys. If they're gone, then we have to worry about how to re-establish law and order while respecting the rights of ethnic minorities while preventing another round of sectarian conflict and all the rest. And really, that's just too complicated to deal with, especially since nobody really gives a shit about the people there and spending all this time trying to sort out their problems is not something anyone wants to be doing. Easier just to keep ISIS around, do a couple airstrikes, torture some folks, project strength, get everyone waving the flag at home, good times for all.

I think it's more sinister than that. This is a means to induce the Islamic world, or at least this part of it, to eat itself alive. Genocide by proxy.

[Deleted]

And how long until you carebears realize that sunshine and good happy feelings isn't going to work either? ISIS hates you. They want you dead. They want your women as their sex slaves and everything that belongs to your cultural heritage destroyed.

They hate you. Repeat it. You're not going to fix shit until you realize this. They fucking hate you. period.

They aren't much different from people like you. I don't want to have anything to do with either of you.

[Easo]

And how long until you carebears realize that sunshine and good happy feelings isn't going to work either? ISIS hates you. They want you dead. They want your women as their sex slaves and everything that belongs to your cultural heritage destroyed.

They hate you. Repeat it. You're not going to fix shit until you realize this. They fucking hate you. period.

You're not going to stop this with culture. - Look at the Manchester bombing. This was a guy who grew up with all the advantages that living in a 1st world nation provides. He still decided to blow up children.

You're not going to stop this with wealth - look at Saudi Arabia where a lot of the 9/11 attackers came from.

You're not going to stop this with education - as many of these guys are already highly educated.

You're not going to stop this by leaving the middle east alone. - I present all of history since the inception of their religion.

The only answer to ISIS is to kill all of them. And everyone they have ever known. Friends, family, neighbors, the goat they lost their virginity to. Everyone. And that's what the west isn't willing to do. Genocide.

And that's why the west is going to lose. Because ISIS or whatever acronym replaces them are willing to do those things. It's only a matter of time before they nuke a city. Then it will be two cities. Then three. They want us dead and nothing we say or do, besides convert, is going to stop them.

Man, stop overblowing this with total nonsense, please. They are not going to destroy the West. The sporadic terrorist attacks do not matter in the long run. You have no idea how much it takes to topple a Western goverment today.

[Kryos]

Simple answer: You can't kill an idea.

ISIS, Al Kaida and all the others want Sharia law and a caliphate all over the world and kill all infidels. That's the basic idea. You can't kill this violent "dream" with weapons, only with education and integration since this idea grows best in young minds that feel like outsiders and forgotten.

[Aleksej89]

Considering that most terrorist factions and revolutions/rebellions in eastern countries are funded+instigated by at least one of the most powerful countries in the world...

No you can not "defeat" them, not until you stop their financing and decapitate those who financed them.

[Deleted]

Die, die, die! Why won't you die?!? Why won't you die?
Because beneath this mask is more than flesh. Beneath this mask is an idea and ideas are bulletproof!

How does ideas disappear? I guess they are forgotten?
So stop talking about it. Let it be forgotten.

How do you convince all those people to forget about it?
Also burn all the books and wipe out all info on the internet about the idea.

[Deleted]

It can and there are 2 ways: Nuke the Middle East or occupy it.

[Paulosio]

Is it really that difficult for the most powerful military forces in the world to handle this?

Or is it incompetence?

Because it's not just a military group that needs to be defeated. It's an ideology.

ISIS can get people to carry out attacks without ever being in contact with them directly...

Even if Raqqa, Mosul and all the other smaller towns under their control got nuked and their "caliph" and all the other ISIS commanders were killed, that wouldn't stop some random loser who'd watched some Jihadi videos on the internet becoming radicalised and deciding to drive a truck into a load of civilians after leaving a video on his phone pledging allegiance to ISIS.

And even if ISIS was defeated militarily there would just be some other group rise to prominence... ISIS are just the latest flavour of the month Jihadi group. There were terrorist attacks in Europe long before ISIS came to prominence... Think of the London Tube / bus bombings and the Spanish train bombings which were all done before ISIS came along.

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It can and there are 2 ways: Nuke the Middle East or occupy it.

Yes and then what happens ? You just end up with even more terrorist attacks around the world from the 100s of millions of Muslims who don't live in the middle east. 1 day people will learn that bombing the hell out of people doesn't make them more friendly towards you.

Occupying Iraq and Afghanistan really made the world so much better didn't it...

[Deleted]

Because it's not just a military group that needs to be defeated. It's an ideology.

ISIS can get people to carry out attacks without ever being in contact with them directly...

Even if Raqqa, Mosul and all the other smaller towns under their control got nuked and their "caliph" and all the other ISIS commanders were killed, that wouldn't stop some random loser who'd watched some Jihadi videos on the internet becoming radicalised and deciding to drive a truck into a load of civilians after leaving a video on his phone pledging allegiance to ISIS.

And even if ISIS was defeated militarily there would just be some other group rise to prominence... ISIS are just the latest flavour of the month Jihadi group. There were terrorist attacks in Europe long before ISIS came to prominence... Think of the London Tube / bus bombings and the Spanish train bombings which were all done before ISIS came along.

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Yes and then what happens ? You just end up with even more terrorist attacks around the world from the 100s of millions of Muslims who don't live in the middle east. 1 day people will learn that bombing the hell out of people doesn't make them more friendly towards you.

Occupying Iraq and Afghanistan really made the world so much better didn't it...

Then you deal with them in a similar manner. Obviously option b is preferable, but also more expensive.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Communism was based on an idea and when it was physically defeated lost all credibility as a model for the world.

When was it that communism was defeated physically?

[Reverb256]

It's true that, as Trump has mentioned, the vast majority of ISIS or other such terrorist attacks are Muslims.
It is also true that Muslims hold the primarily responsibility for removing terrorist-enabling interpretations of Islam.

[Deleted]

When was it that communism was defeated physically?

Famine, economic strife, the moon race, proxy wars.

[Osmeric]

When was it that communism was defeated physically?

It defeated itself when the countries that tried it were incapable of running their economies.

[Naiattavain]

ISIS is 90% destroyed after very HEAVY bombing. Russia and usa are against isis in syria with russia wanting to preserve asad regime.

how ever with leftism being allied to radical Islam its a different stoy in Europe. Eurpe has strict penelties against talking bad about the rapeugees that come from the middle east without being vetted. they basically letting them into the country granting sanctuary. we will see future attacks by isis supporters and members in future in Europe.

[kenthovind]

ISIS can easily be defeated. Nobody is interested in a conventional war though. If someone where to go in there and not give a fuck about their culture and customs (generally what invaders do, but we didn't for some reason) ISIS would vanish over night.

Because the CIA funds ISIS and trains them under the guise of supporting rebels.

[Naiattavain]

When was it that communism was defeated physically?

Collapse of the Soviet Union - 1989-1991 not really a war between is just that they couldn't financially support them selves and thus they collapse.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Famine, economic strife, the moon race, proxy wars.

That's not physically.

[Naiattavain]

It defeated itself when the countries that tried it were incapable of running their economies.

i like this quote lol

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Collapse of the Soviet Union - 1989-1991 not really a war between is just that they couldn't financially support them selves and thus they collapse.

That wasn't a physical defeat.