College students furious after they’re tricked into rejecting socialist ideal

[helebelemon]

Yeah, that's a bullshit number, not surprised you have no source. It's closer to 60k. It's still an irrelevant factor because it's a nonsense solution to tuition debt.

Doesn't matter regardless. I imagine everyone who has ever worked with professors knows that most universities are propped up by temporary instructors earning nowhere near the proposed $110k. University administrations are perhaps some of the most corrupt entities in the country.

[Omega10]

OP is working way too hard to justify his beliefs. The fact that he would post a trash article like this one completely validates that he does not really believe in his conservative ideals, and that he is working hard to justify their very existence.

This article is very sad. I feel very sorry for the OP. I wish that he were not doing mega damage to America

[scmpoe]

Okay, you do realize affirmative action is public policy/law and you can easily look it up, right? When I said common knowledge I wasn't saying it's common sense, I was saying you can go to the internet and easily find the objective explanation. Feel free to go to a government website, even in a Republican controlled state or at the federal level, that matches what you said it is and you let me know. Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind making yourself look ignorant.

Are you capable of providing an argument besides "go look it up"? Jesus. I know the definition. I'm not sure if you do though.

I'm STILL waiting for you to explain what part of what I said is wrong. I know the objective definition, and what I said matches and criticizes the definition. If you think its wrong, its up to you to specifically quote parts of my point and explain why its wrong.

I'm guessing you didnt like the part where I said affirmative action is racist/sexist. Then explain to me how treating people differently based on culture group/skin color (the premise of affirmative action) is not the very definition of racism.

[Kellhound]

Doesn't matter regardless. I imagine everyone who has ever worked with professors knows that most universities are propped up by temporary instructors earning nowhere near the proposed $110k. University administrations are perhaps some of the most corrupt entities in the country.

In the Oregon university system, 70% of instruction time is provided by full time faculty, with an average total compensation package worth over $106k.

[Super Kami Dende]

i'm guessing you didnt like the part where i said affirmative action is racist/sexist. Then explain to me how treating people differently and giving advantages based on culture group/skin color (the premise of affirmative action) is not the very definition of racism.

becuz it is stickin it to da white man!

[helebelemon]

In the Oregon university system, 70% of instruction time is provided by full time faculty, with an average total compensation package worth over $106k.

That's nice of Oregon.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/noodlee.../#688fde761600

[Kellhound]

It's a much much weaker correlation. The stronger correlating factors are networking. Knowing people. Having those connections. Someone working at McDonald's probably works way harder than I ever will at this point in life but won't come close to the monetary reward I will. Because I've developed connections and referrals to get better and better job opportunities.

Same can be said of education though.

[Concequence]

For illustrating the ignorance of mentally and ethically stunted individuals who operate under the delusion that effort and earnings (unlike grades) are at all connected in the USA?

Basically this. If they want to play this game that somehow GPA and Money are equvilant, and socialism is wrong. Then All those rich kids who are playing this shit game, should have their trust funds ripped out of their bank accounts. They didnt earn that, and they don't deserve it.

If you want to see the equivalency .... some students start with a GPA of -1.9 ... some start with 2.0, some start with 3.0, and yet others start with a 3.9 ...

Very rich kids, they only have to work for 0.1 of their GPA to be considered perfect students.

Very poor kids, have to work their asses off and may at best get to 2.1 GPA, they might never be perfect, theyd have to be utterly amazing to make up for the deficit of their poor resources.

That is "free enterprise". Consider average person in both situations, the Rich kid... has 2.0 to give, but honestly doesnt even have to apply himself at all, he is given everything from birth to succeed, from his very rich family, his 4.0 will fund his kids lives in the same way. The very poor average kid, could put in every bit of effort he has to give, and still will only pull off a 0.1 at best he will struggle, and his kids will struggle. There is no way for him to break free of that system without some freakish lucky event, or being absolutely insanely above even the best of all people.

Socialism is the attempt to give every child and family the same ability to grow to be successful, given the same effort. Circumstance, Race, Social standing, should not chain people to a broken life.

[Kellhound]

That's nice of Oregon.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/noodlee.../#688fde761600

I use Oregon because they have just ok'ed a tuition hike by a significant amount to pay for said faculty.

[Kellhound]

Basically this. If they want to play this game that somehow GPA and Money are equvilant, and socialism is wrong. Then All those rich kids who are playing this shit game, should have their trust funds ripped out of their bank accounts. They didnt earn that, and they don't deserve it.

If you want to see the equivalency .... some students start with a GPA of -1.9 ... some start with 2.0, some start with 3.0, and yet others start with a 3.9 ...

Very rich kids, they only have to work for 0.1 of their GPA to be considered perfect students.

Very poor kids, have to work their asses off and may at best get to 2.1 GPA, they might never be perfect, theyd have to be utterly amazing to make up for the deficit of their poor resources.

That is "free enterprise". Consider average person in both situations, the Rich kid... has 2.0 to give, but honestly doesnt even have to apply himself at all, he is given everything from birth to succeed, from his very rich family, his 4.0 will fund his kids lives in the same way. The very poor average kid, could put in every bit of effort he has to give, and still will only pull off a 0.1 at best he will struggle, and his kids will struggle. There is no way for him to break free of that system without some freakish lucky event, or being absolutely insanely above even the best of all people.

Socialism is the attempt to give every child and family the same ability to grow to be successful, given the same effort. Circumstance, Race, Social standing, should not chain people to a broken life.

A person with an I.Q. of 140 will always have an easier time/perform better than a person with an I.Q. of 100, all else being equal.

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This sounds like the posts I make to ridicule conservative positions when I just haphazardly smash buzzwords together with an angry tone and have no real point in mind.

So, like, all of your posts then?

[shimerra]

A person with an I.Q. of 140 will always have an easier time/perform better than a person with an I.Q. of 100, all else being equal.

And a person with an IQ of 100 has better odds than a person of 140 born in the ghetto. The 2 greatest predictors of your future income are your parents socio economic status and educational attainment.

[scmpoe]

He's saying it doesn't apply here and trying to suggest this has anything to do with affirmative action demonstrates that you don't know what affirmative action is.

If you think that you should probably read my actual post in the thread where I related this statement to affirmative action:
"If you redistribute grades, you would have people who are under qualified graduating and becoming a heavy burden in the job force in what ever field they went into, potentially causing thousands in damages and injuring others"

Obviously not the exact definition, but if you cant see the similarities, you are just ignorant.

[BannedForViews]

For illustrating the ignorance of mentally and ethically stunted individuals who operate under the delusion that effort and earnings (unlike grades) are at all connected in the USA?

LOOOOOOL.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Torto]

Uh-huh. Why is it more valid for rich people to give money to other rich people(through nepotism or inheritance) than to give money to the people who actually need it? You have no issue with the first but are so upset that we might spend some of our tax dollars on helping those who could use a hand. Makes no sense to me.

Perfectly happy for rich people to willingly give to the poor, it's called philanthropy. What I resent is people (government) taking money from the so called rich and redistributing to the poor.

[Kellhound]

That's salary and compensation packages. Average salary is 74k.

Which for most of them (like the entire liberal arts) is far more than what their degrees are worth in "the real world".

[Kellhound]

And a person with an IQ of 100 has better odds than a person of 140 born in the ghetto. The 2 greatest predictors of your future income are your parents socio economic status and educational attainment.

The biggest predictor of your future income is if you pick a field that pays and has a future.

[Dsonsion]

I'm against the broad redistribution of wealth, but this argument is as irrelevant as can be. Equating wealth distribution to grade distribution is nonsensical, and if one person agrees to one, it in no way should imply that they agree to the other.
But the reactions by those who felt tricked are laughable.

[scmpoe]

I did, I replied to it. That's where I asked you what the fuck you're talking about because this has nothing to do with race and therefore has no connection to affirmative equation.

You realize affirmative action doesn't make you hire under-qualified applicants, right?

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They're not "taking" money from the rich. Taxes are a part of society. If you disagree with taxes, you're free to leave our society.

Are you that friggen dense?

Grade distribution: people with lower grades who didnt deserve it get boosted up, graduate, and become a liability in the work force.
Affirmative action: people with lower qualifications and grades who didnt deserve it get boosted up and accepted into schools/work programs and become a liability in the work force later on.

And yes, affirmative action programs surround both education and employment. Maybe you should do a google search too.

[Anevers]

When you can buy food with your GPA, and pay your medical bills with your dean's list then the video would be relevant.

[Kellhound]

Uh, not really? How does networking and knowing people help you earn a better grade exactly?

It has always helped me. Gets you into better classes, gets you more wiggle room in grading (benefit of the doubt), etc. Professors are human too, they can be influenced like any other.