Intels Skylake-X and Coffee Lake CPUs Discussion

[Evildeffy]

never said that

even if it isnt - Im 100% sure that at least the 8c will OC to 4.5 all cores, maybe even more then 4.5 all cores (with good cooling)

thats pretty much all I need from it if I were to buy one

Possible but like any techie, let's see independent reviews first.

@ 4,0GHz though my point stands, AMD's more efficient SMT implementation may actually pull this equal if not close to at the same clock speeds even with an IPC deficit.

nah.

Love how you just say "nah" when it's been established prior that the Broadwell 5775c was actually capable of outpacing the i7-6700K whilst slower.
(This due to L4 cache etc. but I'll not go into that and move on with that disabled only)

Broadwell is clock-for-clock about 2% slower than Skylake.
It would stand to reason that Broadwell-E would follow the same logic to Skylake-X.

[Fascinate]

yeah and 98%+ of channels on twitch still have 0-3 viewers

if streaming is your full time job then you will have a proper equipment setup anyway instead of piling everything on 1 Ryzen CPU

the rest of gamers dont and shouldnt care about that and focus on their pure gaming CPU performance

Eh you are missing the point, ryzen is ALL YOU NEED for streaming. You don't need two gaming PC's like some people believe you do, this only started because someone had an i5 or i7 rig with TOO LITTLE CORES for the job and did the dual PC thing.

You clearly dont know how twitch works, streamers with millions in income started with exactly those 3 viewers. And streaming is just a common scenario that bolsters the case for ryzen, which btw is exactly all you need for streaming and everything else you are doing on your PC.....that is the beauty of ryzen.

Its just funny to me, how can someone be so excited about the skylake x launch when AMD just released a similar product for a lot less money? You arent getting twice the performance with intel, not even close. What are you excited about?

[Belize]

Curious, what tradeoffs do you believe you are making when buying a ryzen CPU?

Lower clock speed, lower IPC, some dubious compability with higher speed memory...

[Fascinate]

Lower clock speed, lower IPC, some dubious compability with higher speed memory...

Ok those are technical details, i am asking what actual tradeoffs you are making by choosing amd over intel.

[Belize]

Ok those are technical details, i am asking what actual tradeoffs you are making by choosing amd over intel.

"Less performance are technical details"

Bait harder

[Fascinate]

"Less performance are technical details"

Bait harder

We know AMD is slower in most of todays games, that isnt what i am asking you.

[Belize]

We know AMD is slower in most of todays games, that isnt what i am asking you.

Ok, then you're asking the wrong question.

99% of gamers aren't streamers or content producers, where higher core counts matter. AMD is still inferior to Intel when it comes to straight gaming performance. That is the tradeoff you make by buyin AMD.

Anyways, this thread got derailed. You clearly have some issues justifying your purchase. We're not here to help you with them.

[Life-Binder]

at this point what we still need:

- availability date & prices of 14c 16c 18c CPUs
- clocks for them and the 12c

- all the info on Coffee



and of course reviews, especially for overclocking

[Fascinate]

Ok, then you're asking the wrong question.

99% of gamers aren't streamers or content producers, where higher core counts matter. AMD is still inferior to Intel when it comes to straight gaming performance. That is the tradeoff you make by buyin AMD.

Anyways, this thread got derailed. You clearly have some issues justifying your purchase. We're not here to help you with them.

No i asked the right question, you gave the wrong answer. Your assumption is not only that everyone has a 144hz monitor, but they also have a 144hz monitor without some sort of frame syncing technology. You are not going to notice a lick of difference between ryzen and intel on 99% of the monitors on the market, which happen to be 1080p 60hz displays.

Even in that particular scenario where intel is getting higher FPS than than ryzen, you are either:

A. Above the refresh rate of the monitor and cannot visually see those frames anyways.
B. Below the refresh rate of the monitor but the FPS is already so high, can you actually notice a difference?

People make it out to be some game changing thing, your "trade off" comment made me want to illustrate to you that what you think are trade offs really arent, and the extra cores you gain are far more beneficial in the long term.

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If your plan is to stream and you are currently sitting on a computer then you buy a new gaming PC and disregard cores for the best gaming performance you can find. You then spend $300 on a capture card and plug it in your current PC and you now have a far superior streaming setup compared to any one PC setup you can build.

Stop with the shitty streaming argument.

Well, not really, capture cards have issues, lots of issues as the manufacturers behind them need to support them all the time and that support isnt great, also you are at the mercy of the quality of said capture card.

CPU processing is the most reliable and best control of settings you can get really through codecs and so far, CPU processing of any encoding yields the best quality results.

[moremana]

Ok, then you're asking the wrong question.

99% of gamers aren't streamers or content producers, where higher core counts matter. AMD is still inferior to Intel when it comes to straight gaming performance. That is the tradeoff you make by buyin AMD.

Anyways, this thread got derailed. You clearly have some issues justifying your purchase. We're not here to help you with them.

he wont stop. The only way he will is to agree with him, what he fails to see is no one here does and wont. I had high hopes for Ryzen too, pulled the trigger on 2 of them and regretted it, I needed some new office machines so they went there, however when coffee lake comes I will sell those off cheap to help out with new machines. Obviously he cant afford to just say "I fucked up" and go back to Intel.

AMD will always be inferior to Intel and will remain budget builds when it comes to gaming. But your right this thread has gotten derailed.

OT this looks real interesting.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu..._motherboard/1

[Fascinate]

Now i remember why i ignored you moremana, you dont know what value for money means. If you regret going with ryzen because you lost 5 FPS in WoW, and completely disregard what you gain in terms of overall CPU horsepower we simply cannot be friends.

I also dont think this is offtopic, i need to show people these new CPU's from intel are not a good value, if the leaked prices are correct they are actually insulting to customers. 440 dollars for a 6c 12t chip, seriously intel? That is before you even take the motherboard prices into consideration, which are well above what AMD is charging for theirs.

I don't post to have conversations with you intel fanboys, i post for passerby's looking to buy a new rig and have value for money as their #1 concern (as everyone should) that AMD is a real option nowadays, and if intel keeps their pricing as it is will surely be losing market share day by day.

[moremana]

Now i remember why i ignored you moremana, you dont know what value for money means. If you regret going with ryzen because you lost 5 FPS in WoW, and completely disregard what you gain in terms of overall CPU horsepower we simply cannot be friends.

I also dont think this is offtopic, i need to show people these new CPU's from intel are not a good value, if the leaked prices are correct they are actually insulting to customers. 440 dollars for a 6c 12t chip, seriously intel? That is before you even take the motherboard prices into consideration, which are well above what AMD is charging for theirs.

I don't post to have conversations with you intel fanboys, i post for passerby's looking to buy a new rig and have value for money as their #1 concern (as everyone should) that AMD is a real option nowadays, and if intel keeps their pricing as it is will surely be losing market share day by day.

If you ignored me stop quoting me and ignore me please....I wish you would. No one is a fan boy, I tried Ryzen dint like it, went back, that's my right, you don't have to agree, your opinion is your own, its funny no one agrees with it.

In this thread your build opinion doesn't count, these cpus arent out yet.

Move on ... no one cares.

[Life-Binder]

Fascinate is really clogging up this thread

440 dollars for a 6c 12t chip, seriously intel?

a 6c/12t chip that cant even clock past 4.1 Ghz, seriously AyyMD ?

i need to show people

i post for passerby's looking to buy a new rig

there are specialized build-a-rig threads for that on MMO-C, you dont need to be in this (my) thread

[Fascinate]

Fascinate is really clogging up this thread



a 6c/12t chip that cant even clock past 4.1 Ghz, seriously AyyMD ?




there are specialized build-a-rig threads for that on MMO-C, you dont need to be in this (my) thread

Yet you had no problem trolling the hell out of the ryzen thread. I am at least offering constructive criticism in this one.

440 dollars for a 6c 12t CPU is unacceptable with ryzen existing, you cant get around that fact.

[moremana]

Only in your little world.

Most of us cant wait for them. Ryzen sucks...lol

Look, you think I went back to Intel just to be a fanboy? Your delusional.
Go buy a 7700k build, put it together and play on it for 1 day, you will never put that Ryzen back on your desk. Until you do, dont bash others for switching to Intel.

[Fascinate]

If you ignored me stop quoting me and ignore me please....I wish you would. No one is a fan boy, I tried Ryzen dint like it, went back, that's my right, you don't have to agree, your opinion is your own, its funny no one agrees with it.

In this thread your build opinion doesn't count, these cpus arent out yet.

Move on ... no one cares.

If you would stop posting ridiculous stuff like suggesting i5's over R5's i wouldnt have to quote you, i am like a babysitter around here and have to make sure that stuff doesn't get around.

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Only in your little world.

Most of us cant wait for them. Ryzen sucks...lol

Look, you think I went back to Intel just to be a fanboy? Your delusional.
Go buy a 7700k build, put it together and play on it for 1 day, you will never put that Ryzen back on your desk. Until you do, dont bash others for switching to Intel.

You are an odd guy moremana, most people don't build multiple PC's a year to look at them. Sorry i had to go there, but you dont have any perspective. Most people buy one PC and use it for many many years, you will see in time ryzen is the smart purchase today.

[moremana]

If you would stop posting ridiculous stuff like suggesting i5's over R5's i wouldnt have to quote you, i am like a babysitter around here and have to make sure that stuff doesn't get around.

Try again, I just showed you my latest thought on R5s, stop pretending an old post is my final thought, now your borderline trolling.

O wait I forgot who I was talking to..

I thought u had me on ignore?

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If you would stop posting ridiculous stuff like suggesting i5's over R5's i wouldnt have to quote you, i am like a babysitter around here and have to make sure that stuff doesn't get around.

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You are an odd guy moremana, most people don't build multiple PC's a year to look at them. Sorry i had to go there, but you dont have any perspective. Most people buy one PC and use it for many many years, you will see in time ryzen is the smart purchase today.

ROFLMAO, you just dont get it.

Im done with you, no more replies from me, you just lost your right to discuss with me for the next 72 hours. Please just ignore me.

[Salty Maud]

I don't care about skylake-x for the same reason i don't care about ryzen. I used to have a 12 core haswell xeon, suffice to say i learned to not get allured by core count for tasks it does not matter to. Simcraft ran very quick though.

Coffee lake, maybe, depends if it can go significantly above 5GHz or offer 6 cores without sacrificing any clockspeed. If we are only seeing these minor bumps in performance that we have seen since haswell, i might just as well wait until icelake (or something actually worthwhile from AMD).

The new "HEDT" 4 cores are really dumb. I would understand if they offered more PCI-E lanes than their mainstream counterparts, but since they don't, what even is their purpose?

[Fascinate]

I don't care about skylake-x for the same reason i don't care about ryzen. I used to have a 12 core haswell xeon, suffice to say i learned to not get allured by core count for tasks it does not matter to. Simcraft ran very quick though.

Coffee lake, maybe, depends if it can go significantly above 5GHz or offer 6 cores without sacrificing any clockspeed. If we are only seeing these minor bumps in performance that we have seen since haswell, i might just as well wait until icelake (or something actually worthwhile from AMD).

Just keep in mind there are already games that are scaling beyond 6 cores today. Dont get me wrong most of them cant, but what i like to get across to people is if you are the type of person (not saying you, just in general) that keeps a PC for a good amount of time, picking up CPU's with a bunch of cores/threads seems to be the smarter purchase.

There is no better evidence of this than fx cpu's, they have aged incredibly well and destroy a 2500k in some of the newer titles.....that wasnt happening at all in the games that existed in 2011/2012.