Why are so many against skimpier armor?

[Ashelin]

Be honest? I haven't denied what I've said but I'm not going to pull up... sources... on my opinion of slutmogs and their fans.

So then why did you ask knowledge or proof of what? Exactly that. You don't know ANYTHING about their fans. You think you do, I'm sure you're postive, but that doesn't mean your perceptions are correct. Instead of just talking about the issue, why you don't like it, you attack the people who do like it. A subject you know nothing about.
Your opinions on revealing armor, completely valid.
Your opinions on their fans, unhelpful, unwarranted, unfounded and absurd.

[Dug]

So then why did you ask knowledge or proof of what? Exactly that. You don't know ANYTHING about their fans. You think you do, I'm sure you're postive, but that doesn't mean your perceptions are correct. Instead of just talking about the issue, why you don't like it, you attack the people who do like it. A subject you know nothing about.
Your opinions on revealing armor, completely valid.
Your opinions on their fans, unhelpful, unwarranted, unfounded and absurd.

Alright? Not sure what you're wanting me to say here. This is from my own experience with dealing with these kinds of people throughout my entire WoW career and the usual trash that pops up in threads like this with hurr feminazis, hurr ess jay dubyas. Whether its factually correct or not is not something I'm arguing. And quite frankly I don't really care at this point. My overall point is that slutmogs are immature, lazy and harmful for the image and reputation of this game.

[Lilija]

Who is "many"? I like them. This is a fantasy setting. People are free to play out their fanstasies the way they want. And if someone has a problem with that it's their problem.

[Deleted]

I have never heard anyone being against it.

Judging by all the female blood elves in skimpy armor in game I actually was under the impression it is quite popular?

[Ashelin]

Alright? Not sure what you're wanting me to say here. This is from my own experience with dealing with these kinds of people throughout my entire WoW career and the usual trash that pops up in threads like this with hurr feminazis, hurr ess jay dubyas. Whether its factually correct or not is not something I'm arguing. And quite frankly I don't really care at this point. My overall point is that slutmogs are immature, lazy and harmful for the image and reputation of this game.

Fair enough. And I would say that trying to provide as wide a variety of player with outfits they enjoy is only good for the reputation of the game. Inclusion is never a bad thing. The more people that are happy with how their character looks, the better. Nobody in their right mind would argue that ALL armor should be like that, but I will never understand why it is so hard for some people to let other people enjoy something they don't. Blizzard themselves embraces this type of armor all the time in their lore characters, so to suggest that when players utilize it, it somehow hurts the integrity of the game itself seems like a bit of a stretch.
I appreciate the debate though, glad we could drop all the personal attacks and just get down to the topic.

[clevin]

Why does it have to be sexual? Revealing armor can feel empowering. Some of us don't particularily like our appearance in real life, fantasy games are a way to play what you wish you could be. I would be willing to bet most of the people who wear this type of armor aren't getting off to it in any real way. Not everyone is so black and white.

1) look at the number of people in this thread who call it 'slutmog'. That's an inherently sexual term.

2) It's not that it's revealing, it's that it is designed to be sexy. Could I see a huntress wearing, say, a halter and short skirt or short pants? Sure, that's somewhat practical and you could argue than a class based around agility matches that armor selection. A halter and a BIKINI bottom? Come on, that's entirely there to titillate boys. It's also entirely 'unrealistic'.

Do I *care*? Not really. I just think guys who whine about SJWs and feminism when someone opposes this are cute little man babies and not worth debating. Armor like this keeps the game in the infantile, never seen a real woman naked, comic bookstore demo.

[Sigxy]

I have never heard anyone being against it.

Judging by all the female blood elves in skimpy armor in game I actually was under the impression it is quite popular?

Think this is pretty much the case. Only reason people here are saying they are against it, was because they were asked for their opinions!

[Dug]

Fair enough. And I would say that trying to provide as wide a variety of player with outfits they enjoy is only good for the reputation of the game. Inclusion is never a bad thing. The more people that are happy with how their character looks, the better. Nobody in their right mind would argue that ALL armor should be like that, but I will never understand why it is so hard for some people to let other people enjoy something they don't. Blizzard themselves embraces this type of armor all the time in their lore characters, so to suggest that when players utilize it, it somehow hurts the integrity of the game itself seems like a bit of a stretch.
I appreciate the debate though, glad we could drop all the personal attacks and just get down to the topic.

Blizzard used to do that but lately they've dialed back the sex factor for a more realistic approach even if it is a fantasy world. Like with Sylvanas armor changes. People were crying that its pandering to permanently offended crowd but I appreciated the change because she looks more like the ranger she is and someone whos prepared for battle.

[Christonya]

Because objectifying women is wrong.

Objectifying men is fine.

I personally don't care either way, and wouldn't gaf if they added skimpy male armor for the ladies too.

[The Emperor]

Indirectly answering the question, I think that people that demand skimpier(sexier) armors in game, like people who made skyrim nexus mods into hentai/porn/sex-simulator trafficking platform(obviously, such modders exist because there is demand) are what's wrong with the Internet in general.

Nothing like no-lifer seeking to realise his/her perverted fantasies and finding no better form to do so other than insulting other people's sense of beauty and dressing like a whore/man-whore. I do not want WoW to degrade to this. Skyrim is fine, at least I don't see their mods, since its singleplayer.

Besides, WoW is a game aimed at children, mostly. I doubt their parents would condone their progeny playing some hentai game, I thin Blizz understands that in the long run it is a losing strategy, let us hope they will not overdo their style and give in to freaks and their fantasies.

[Deleted]

Lets argue established baseline fantasy like Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones. They could have put kinky armour in those, all of your arguments apply it is still fiction, so why didn't they?

Another typ of fantasy, not that they skip head protection on caracters...

[Pull My Finger]

I'm not into it because I'm older than 14, as well as not a virgin and also not a pathetic dweeb/nerd/etc.

[primalmatter]

Long as the design looks alright I really don't think many have a issue. Skimpy for the sake of skimpy comes off cheap though.

[Notshauna]

I understand that a lot of people find it ridiculous, which is fair. Those same people also tend to have problems with oversized weaponry and armor so they are at least consistent with their adherence towards realism. I don't.

I appreciate good armor design whether it's realistic, exaggerated or battle lingerie, but the emphasis is on good. WoW's armor system is very weak compared to it's contemporaries, with it basically forming a skin tight seal over the body. This is naturally exacerbated by skimpy armor so as such I don't like it in WoW.

[Stormmantis]

if you don't like slutmogs then dont mog for it, and otherwise you have no say in what any other person does with their character, at least that's my stance. i think same when people claim we shouldnt have legendary as tmog bcos the reckon everyone will have that tmog - but again its no one else business how a player has tmoged

[Valenhil]

Because it's incredibly disrespectful? It's not about realism, it's about not creating an environment where this objectification is not only acceptable, but the norm.

And I don't mean we should all be prudes 24/7 for the good of the empire. Skimpiness is perfectly valid as a design choice, see for example Inquisitor Whitemane, all the Illidari, Queen Azshara. But when used gratuitously it's bad for everyone involved, it's lazy and immature. Sylvanas being the obvious example.

I can't believe this isn't obvious.

[Toppy]

Because it's incredibly disrespectful? It's not about realism, it's about not creating an environment where this objectification is not only acceptable, but the norm.

And I don't mean we should all be prudes 24/7 for the good of the empire. Skimpiness is perfectly valid as a design choice, see for example Inquisitor Whitemane, all the Illidari, Queen Azshara. But when used gratuitously it's bad for everyone involved, it's lazy and immature. Sylvanas being the obvious example.

I can't believe this isn't obvious.

But it is ok to objectify male characters? I see you only mentioned female.

I suppose its not obvious because even your comparisons are vague, one is right one is wrong and why? Is there like a point where we have to slap someone and go "bad, bad woman, to much skin, cover up that disrespectful mid-driff"

[dev'olution]

I guess there are those purists out there that would be like.... "ZOMG they would die if they got hit by a sword on their skin".

Personally, I don't give a crap.

If it enhances the playing experience or makes it more enjoyable for someone to play the game, it's each to their own right?

[Ashelin]

Blizzard used to do that but lately they've dialed back the sex factor for a more realistic approach even if it is a fantasy world. Like with Sylvanas armor changes. People were crying that its pandering to permanently offended crowd but I appreciated the change because she looks more like the ranger she is and someone whos prepared for battle.

Again, Blizzard may have dialed it back slightly in Warcraft, though with many of the Demon-Hunters I would argue they did not. But Blizzard as a company whole-sale embraces it, heroes of the storm is proof of that. And I have to ask, do you think that Illidan is realistic? He is always in the melee wearing nothing but pajama pants.

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But it is ok to objectify male characters? I see you only mentioned female.

I suppose its not obvious because even your comparisons are vague, one is right one is wrong and why? Is there like a point where we have to slap someone and go "bad, bad woman, to much skin, cover up that disrespectful mid-driff"

Basically this. Not once do these people who speak of objectification or realism ever address characters like Illidan. Very, very attractive, chiselled upper body. Objectified. And I'm ok with that. I just don't see the difference between his lack of armor or clothes and Sylvanas' very same lack. On the realism front at least Sylvanas is an archer, Illidan is all up in the melee. But nope, it's only bad when woman do it, because somebody might find it attractive and that's not ok.

[Valenhil]

But it is ok to objectify male characters? I see you only mentioned female.

I suppose its not obvious because even your comparisons are vague, one is right one is wrong and why? Is there like a point where we have to slap someone and go "bad, bad woman, to much skin, cover up that disrespectful mid-driff"

Because there isn't a single example where a male character isn't objectified as a deliberate design choice. Which as I mentioned, is fine. I said "All the Illidari".

Whitemane and Azshara get the Femme Fatale look that paints them as dangerous and possibly mentally unbalanced. Sylvanas gets made into a teenager's cheap masturbation fantasy.

It's degrading to the character, to the audience, and representative of the writer's complete lack of thematic resonance.