Why are so many against skimpier armor?

[iamthedevil]

Because objectifying women is wrong.

Objectifying men is fine.

I personally don't care either way, and wouldn't gaf if they added skimpy male armor for the ladies too.

but... all models are objects. I think? Pixels. What.

[Toppy]

Because there isn't a single example where a male character isn't objectified as a deliberate design choice. Which as I mentioned, is fine. I said "All the Illidari".

Whitemane and Azshara get the Femme Fatale look that paints them as dangerous and possibly mentally unbalanced. Sylvanas gets made into a teenager's cheap masturbation fantasy.

It's degrading to the character, to the audience, and representative of the writer's complete lack of thematic resonance.

So we're just ignoring how pretty much every single brown skinned Orc is an image of sexual masculinity? How many of the males in game are done up as images of beauty in one way or another? Hell look at both Anduin and Varian.

Just because you dont find them attractive does not mean they arent designed to be so.

[Lex Icon]

honestly all you people going on about "purists" have probably never touched a game where these kinds of outfits are plentiful.. trust me it'll be the only thing you see.
i'd rather there be lots of good looking options than just cheap sex appeal.

[Feel The Power]

Because it's 2017 and if 8 seconds go by without people finding anything to be offended about, then they'll be offended at not being offended. Crying should be a new event in the Olympics, and I can proudly say us Americans would win all the gold at that event. Of course, I'm sure the winners of the crying event at the Olympics would be offended at stealing from Greek culture by winning an award at the Olympics.

[Valenhil]

So we're just ignoring how pretty much every single brown skinned Orc is an image of sexual masculinity? How many of the males in game are done up as images of beauty in one way or another? Hell look at both Anduin and Varian.

Just because you dont find them attractive does not mean they arent designed to be so.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Characters being attractive = bad. We could all learn a bit from your reading comprehension.

[Allenseiei]

1- "Think of the kids" argument.
People seem to have this overprotective nature in the most bizzare of ways.
I think people who use the excuse "if i want porn or anything similar there are other places for that" really need to get out more. By saying this then we should all go back to the 1940's swimsuits, because wearing bikinis or showing skin is porn to them.
How is going against skimpy armor not give people who want to fap to pixels any means to do so? They can remove their armor and they have a bikini or shorts anyway.
Isn't WoW PG-13? Then we shouldn't care about people wearing skimpy armor because of this, after all kids do go to the beach and the pool i think, and SJW are not triggered by this.


2. Realism/practicality of the gear -> Breaks immersion (lol, immersion in WoW).
Realism is a contradiction, you can't pull this card when you are talking about a fantasy game. Chaining the fun of people is retarded for a game. Go play medieval era simulator or something.

Practicality -> It's a fantasy game. It has nothing to do with what you think is practical, because your logic resides in realism, and realism has no basis in a fantasy world. You can have a piece of cloth or a ring that creates some protective barrier around all your skin, or whatever else you can think of.
Lets think of elements that break practicality but everyone doesn't seem to have no problems with:
- Not wearing resistance gear to fight elementals
- Being able to pop out a mount in the middle of nowhere.
- Being able to join a dungeon without even going there.
and the list goes on.

By saying skimpy is fap material, then most girls that wear skimpy clothes in summer are sluts? Are they also pron material for unsocial virgins? This constant stupidity about women "objectified" in video games is getting out of hand.

The only thing you gain by going against skimpy armor is to reduce the costumization of a game that's already very limited in that regard. Its really sad.


I for one, hope WoW devs take a step foward and make gear similar to FFXIV, which is quite balanced in terms of skimp armor and non skimp armor.

[Jastall]

Long as the design looks alright I really don't think many have a issue. Skimpy for the sake of skimpy comes off cheap though.

I think that's my issue as well. I'm not a prude by any means, I got no problem with tits and asses in video games if the situation calls for it. If the skin shown is justified by a coherent design, I'm all for it. Demon Hunters are again an example, they show skin because 1) tattoos, 2) wings, 3) horns and 4) they need agility. Realism need not apply, these are reasons why they would wear revealing attire. Queen Azshara is another good example, she's not a fighter by any means and relies on her powers of seduction to rule her subjects. Thus she wears an elegant and fairly revealing robe. That makes sense, it's good design.

If a character shows skin because why not? As in ''why not have this armor be fully covering on males but have a hole in the stomach for females just because its hawt''? Then it does feel as if it's made just for titillation. There's porn for that. Lots of it.

[Srg56]

i think that second part is more to do with games that have lots of slut mogs tend to end up in 90% of the players chars being half naked females so it's pretty much all you see every day. imagine how that would make wow look from a pr perspective for a second.

It wouldn't change anything. It's about how a game is marketed. They covered up sylvanas for the big reveal trailer. Totally understandable, zero issues. Giving players more options as to how their ingame characters look shouldn't be an issue. It would only reflect on that respective player, not on the game as a whole. To thinking people anyway.

[Deleted]

i like that this post is people only bashing each other. If you enjoy playing your character with a "slutmog" go for it, who the fuck cares what others think. Same goes for the people not liking "slutmog", don't play with it if you don't like it, don't act all high and mighty.

[Valenhil]

Maybe putting an example of the inverse will help. Metal Gear's Quiet.

So back before the game was released, Kojima said we'd feel ashamed over objectfying Quiet once we learned the reason she dresses like a prostitute. Then we did learn she breathed through her skin, which didn't make us ashamed in the slightest, as all it proved was Kojima was just full of shit.

This is a character who was given a reason to dress skimpily, but since that reason was incredibly stupid, it becomes an excuse.

It shows that people struggle with understanding that the only reason a character would dress as a prostitute is by being a prostitute. If you put a prostitute in plate armor or a warrior in slutty clothes, it's thematic dissonance. It's not a matter of political correctness, of gender equality, or any of that shit.

It's just good writing.

Look at Mass Effect and Dragon Age, for example. Bioware is known for being liberal-minded and defending minorities and women's rights, but you still have brothels and strippers and slutty party members. Because it's what they do. Bioware writers know there's no need to force these elements on characters they have absolutely nothing to do with.

[Underverse]

It's not realistic, as you said, and there are games out there for people who are just looking for fanservice.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Because you can have a man in a loin cloth walking around your garrison, or a half naked illidan, and all the half naked orc dudes in the world . . . but as soon as some feminist sees a belly button on a female they say its bad. People have had enough of it but companies like Blizzard hear a vocal minority and think it is what people want now.

It seems as if though feminists are the least of their worry, considering the uproar in this thread in regards to "slutmogs". <.<

[Dartz1979]

Well what I think is instead of trying to morph WoW into that they can just go play Porn and Soul or Scarlet Blade

neither of those games are around no more

[Allenseiei]

Maybe putting an example of the inverse will help. Metal Gear's Quiet.

So back before the game was released, Kojima said we'd feel ashamed over objectfying Quiet once we learned the reason she dresses like a prostitute. Then we did learn she breathed through her skin, which didn't make us ashamed in the slightest, as all it proved was Kojima was just full of shit.

This is a character who was given a reason to dress skimpily, but since that reason was incredibly stupid, it becomes an excuse.

It shows that people struggle with understanding that the only reason a character would dress as a prostitute is by being a prostitute. If you put a prostitute in plate armor or a warrior in slutty clothes, it's thematic dissonance. It's not a matter of political correctness, of gender equality, or any of that shit.

It's just good writing.

Look at Mass Effect and Dragon Age, for example. Bioware is known for being liberal-minded and defending minorities, but you still have whorehouses and strippers and slutty party members. Because it's what they do. Bioware writers know there's no need to force these elements on characters they have absolutely nothing to do with.

Yes, thematic dissonance is an important thing to keep in mind, but "warrior", using your example, is a quite broad definition. If you said a "knight" then that is different, but warriors dress in a huge varierity of ways, some of them skimpy, some of them not. Specially in the north folk, where WoW takes warriors from.
Another place where it does not reside is cloth or leather users. Cloth users can wear anything, it's more of a fashion sense than anything. Leather users can have more elimitations using that dissonance, but not much either. Skimpy doesn't mean going around in a swim suit, its just no having robes down to your toes.

Your argument in WoW would only hold water for paladins and death knights. However even here, can you really say what's actually thematic in a fantasy world?

I think there are many other thematic breakers in WoW, however people favour them, like resistance gear.

[Brogan117]

I dont really care if its "slutty" or not. The only thing that really annoys me, is that all those shitty "slutmogs" are those fugly vanillaskins. How can ANYONE really prefer this lowresshit to any of the new armor sets? Thats the thing I just am not able to grasp.
There are so many AWESOME armorsets in the game some of them even lend themselves to mix up with other sets and yet people use that vanillamush just to have a "slutty" character. Those people imo really should just go to games like Black Desert or something in line with that. Over the top armorsets are a part of wow by now. The complete overthetop depiction of weapons and armor is just the artstyle wow has. The devs and artdepartment obviously dont want them to be realistic but a bunch of spiky, fiery bulkyness. really if you are so desperate for scantly clad fapmaterial, there were many alternative games mentioned which you could abuse for your fantasies.

[Toppy]

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Characters being attractive = bad. We could all learn a bit from your reading comprehension.

I never said being attractive was bad. You're the one lacking in comprehension here.

[Queen of Hamsters]

I dont really care if its "slutty" or not. The only thing that really annoys me, is that all those shitty "slutmogs" are those fugly vanillaskins. How can ANYONE really prefer this lowresshit to any of the new armor sets? Thats the thing I just am not able to grasp.
There are so many AWESOME armorsets in the game some of them even lend themselves to mix up with other sets and yet people use that vanillamush just to have a "slutty" character. Those people imo really should just go to games like Black Desert or something in line with that. Over the top armorsets are a part of wow by now. The complete overthetop depiction of weapons and armor is just the artstyle wow has. The devs and artdepartment obviously dont want them to be realistic but a bunch of spiky, fiery bulkyness. really if you are so desperate for scantly clad fapmaterial, there were many alternative games mentioned which you could abuse for your fantasies.

Or they can just stick to WoW if they really do dress their characters for "fap material".
If someone gets off on the pixels in WoW showing some skin, that's no concern of mine. It's not as if though they're abusing anyone for their arousal... Other than you people with your oh-so-delicate eyes whom are massively offended by game characters in revealing armor I suppose...

[Grobovshik]

We already have The Grind from shit korean mmo's, now this? No, just no.

[Deleted]

Attention-seekers wear it and I dont like showoff behaviour.

Eh, isn't that the exact point of the mage tower challenge appearances? Isn't that the exact purpose of the PvP prestige rewards? Isn't that the exact reason Mythic raiding gear is extra "cool" and made to stand out more? The game is designed around you trying to look cool and stand out.

Because it looks retarded and childish.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I'd say most tier and weapons (especially artifact weapons) look "retarded".

[Toppy]

Eh, isn't that the exact point of the mage tower challenge appearances? Isn't that the exact purpose of the PvP prestige rewards? Isn't that the exact reason Mythic raiding gear is extra "cool" and made to stand out more? The game is designed around you trying to look cool and stand out.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I'd say most tier and weapons (especially artifact weapons) look "retarded".

Behold, the pinnacle of maturity and realism