51% of People now Reject Capitalism

[McFuu]

Straw man argument.

I don't think you know what a Strawman Argument is.

[Deleted]

99% of the world can hate capitalism, it's still not going to change a thing because the rich will still own everything.

[spanishninja]

You do know that in most places around the world, that are indeed NOT capitalists, share a common house-hold for a majority of family members, regardless of age?

Your way of thinking is more "capitalist" than anything, to think that each person or (couple), no matter what at the age of 18+. Should have their own, basically "everything" it is to be a True house-hold. That is; Car, House, Wardrobe, Means of sustainable support, etc. Is not only 1, wasteful, but also astronomically expensive as a whole, economically.

You say that, but what is the biggest argument for minimum wage increases? Oh, I remember, it's the notion that a person flipping burgers is still entitled to having a one-bedroom apartment of their own, instead of having to live with roommates. How do you reconcile this with what you said?

[Deleted]

I mean, I agree, capitalism is morally wrong, but I don't think the people in charge will allow it to change.

People that think the rich will allow the system to change must be completely blind irl.

There's no way the system is ever going to change.

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People aren't against capitalism. They are against the rampant corruption our politicians are fighting to allow under the banner of "capitalism".

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The vote results.

It's funny how they all shout; "I hate corruption" but if the bucks were thrown at them, they'd just be equally as corrupt.

Corruption is like cancer, hard to cut out, and it has a high chance to return in the future as a different form. As long as there's money, there will be power, as long as there's power, there will be abuse, as long as there's abuse, there will be corruption. The cycle of life.

TLDR : I'll see corruption die out when it actually happens, I don't think corruption will ever go away, it will just transfer to another person and cut that person out, the next person in line will eventually go corrupt. I mean corruption goes back to the early days of humanity, there's a reason why it's still in place.

[Violent]

You say that, but what is the biggest argument for minimum wage increases? Oh, I remember, it's the notion that a person flipping burgers is still entitled to having a one-bedroom apartment of their own, instead of having to live with roommates. How do you reconcile this with what you said?

In America yes, and now more places want that because Americans push for it, for themselves. And at the same time also push for equality around the globe & board.
But those whom use that argument are arguing from America, from that Capitalistic mind-set, to being with.

Where we have grown up the past few generations with each person, or couple striking out on their own, their children want to do the same.
Rather than say, maybe a rural family in a not-so-developed part of China, with maybe 3 or 4 generations under 1 roof. Their subsequent generations, except maybe (Uncle Yen, the odd-ball, who moves to America and finds a nice girl and a decent, rent-controlled, 2 bedroom flat in NYC). End up living in the same 3 or 4 generation house-hold.

[Xeones]

It's funny how they all shout; "I hate corruption" but if the bucks were thrown at them, they'd just be equally as corrupt.

Maybe, I mean if you look at it from another perspective a "normal" person has a pretty low chance to climb to the top. I think it takes specific personality traits to do so.

[Theinquisition]

I always find it ironic that people bitch about millennials just living beyond their means and that's why they want higher minimum wages but also try to insult them by saying they live with their parents. Even though that's obviously the smarter choice than to waste money renting a place if they don't have to.

Maybe if they got paid fair wages and could afford to live on their own, more of them would?

Or...or....maybe they should be paid according to the level of skill and experience.

[Linkedblade]

[citation needed]

http://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/ha...ring-2016-poll

[Theinquisition]

In America yes, and now more places want that because Americans push for it, for themselves. And at the same time also push for equality around the globe & board.
But those whom use that argument are arguing from America, from that Capitalistic mind-set, to being with.

Not sure why i should sacrifice for someone else in a country i don't care about

[minteK917]

...and when they have kids maybe they'll be glad of that social safety net...

So they will be glad of socialism system...

[Linkedblade]

A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows

"The word 'capitalism' doesn't mean what it used to," said Zach Lustbader, a senior at Harvard involved in conducting the poll, which was published Monday. For those who grew up during the Cold War, capitalism meant freedom from the Soviet Union and other totalitarian regimes. For those who grew up more recently, capitalism has meant a financial crisis from which the global economy still hasn't completely recovered.

Lustbader, 22, said the darkening mood on capitalism is evident in the way politicians talk about the economy. When Republicans — long the champions of free enterprise — use the word "capitalism" these days, it's often to complain about "crony capitalism," he said.

"You don't hear people on the right defending their economic policies using that word anymore," Lustbader added.

It is an open question whether young people's attitudes on socialism and capitalism show that they are rejecting free markets as a matter of principle or whether those views are simply an expression of broader frustrations with an economy in which household incomes have been declining for 15 years.

That's not the poll, that's another interpretation of it.

It says a majority of 18-29 year old are against both capitalism and socialism. Lol.

[Shadowferal]

Or...or....maybe they should be paid according to the level of skill and experience.

Or maybe they should get screwed out of decent wages for the sake of a nice tax break
Or better yet, to hell with them and go abroad and pay workers pennies a day to run a business and to hell with the American worker.

[igualitarist]

Tell them to go live in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, or to study the fate of all countries that decided to fight against capitalism. Its as effective as fighting the gravity.

[Deleted]

Maybe, I mean if you look at it from another perspective a "normal" person has a pretty low chance to climb to the top. I think it takes specific personality traits to do so.

Take it form someone who's running for mayor in Brussels (in 2018), I've seen enough of what some in politics had to do, to get to their current political positions. I'm lucky I come from a rich family, so what I present isn't aligned to any political party or their moral corruption, but to what I think will provide a better Brussels.

[Linkedblade]

I just took a poll of 18-29 YO and 100% accept capitalism. How about the results of that poll?

The one in question has a sample size of 3183e2.4@95% confidence. While the math holds, I'm sure the meeting they used to gather their sample is quite biased. They probably only polled students on campus and not at random

[Linkedblade]

Tell them to go live in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, or to study the fate of all countries that decided to fight against capitalism. Its as effective as fighting the gravity.

The same amount were also against socialism, what a joke.

[minteK917]

Or...or....maybe they should be paid according to the level of skill and experience.

Only someone that havent worked for the last 30 years or is only recently born does not know this is no longer the case. Pay simply did not follow inflation. If i was to go back and do one of my student jobs. Id be poorer then what i was during my student years 20 years ago. And poorer then my mother doing the same thing 50 years ago. My income on the minimum wage in the 90s used to cover my rent with only 1/10 of it. My kids will never get that, not even close. Its closer to 1/3, 1/2 now. The gap is only getting wider. We simply continue to make the future generations poorer, while they are forming to become accomplished citizens. Eventually we end up in the dumpster where we are going. Capitalism used to have the strength of making us evolve, now its devolving us as a group. Because its attacking our future generation before they even get to actually be proper part of the system.

Your multi billion companies are telling you they let immigrants in to take technical jobs because of a lack of manpower. Your reaction is only to remove the immigrants, but lack the understanding that this lack of manpower wont go away, the reason they lack the manpower is a lack in high end education, because the system now makes it harder to get that education. You want to get american back in jobs in 2017+. Focus on making education more accessible, reduce your younger generation dept, encourage education by investing money into the student themselves.

[ImpTaimer]

Skewed invalid sample data from liberal college echo chambers. Nothing to see here folks.

[Linkedblade]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jknxLDKi_80

What does this have to do with me cutting the poll?

[Dorothyjean]

Actually, they are the most educated generation in American history. But I am sure the Trump tards refer to that as college is a liberal conspiracy!

They may be the most educated but you have an enormous gap between said education and wisdom. Time and time again I see Millenials blaming us for fucking the world up for them and that lack of wisdom in knowing that we felt the same way as did our parents as did our parents etc. Millenials have a concentric view of themselves and don't have the intuitive know how to realize that the rest of the world doesn't operate or think like they do. Socialism could work if the United States had zero connection to the outside world, zero connection to a global economy and we could produce/provide all of our wants and needs without influence from the global market. Since we can't we are still at the economic standpoint that there is something you need, we are going to sell it to you, you need to do something so you can purchase it. Until Millenials more their learning curve away from education and swing more into wisdom/intuition their belief system in whats good for themselves is a moot point.