US Pulls out of Paris Climate Accords

[GrinningMan]

Is your sig the deplorable national anthem?

Law of Jante.

[Puupi]

I dont understand what the issue is. If we as a nation decide to reduce our CO2 emissions Paris Accord or not, what difference does it matter what bargaining power we have to reenter? If the point is to reduce CO2 emissions and we do it, whats the big deal if we do it on our own?

Well the obvious thing other countries should do would be to sanction USA. Not sure if other countries have balls enough to do that, though.

All this "being shocked" about the decision is pointless. Leaving the Paris accord must have consequences - that's the only reason such an accord exists in the first place. So other nations, mainly Europeans, should grow a pair and act accordingly.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Law of Jante.

I didn't know... thanks.

[Deleted]

4. Every 1/10th of a degree we remove off the top gives us a HUGE advantage over doing nothing.

Back this shit up with a peer reviewed research paper or get lost.

Wait, you are one of those who believe that we can somehow do something about a climate change that has been in the making since 1880s?
Try getting India, Africa, S-America to slow themselves down. Maybe, just maybe, you'll safe something.

Unlikely.

This seriously resembles some sort of a Original Sin cult. It's not US that will be booming in next 30 years.

[barackohmama]

Fuck the earth, american jobs is what matters

[Bullettime]

Musk carried through on his threat and immediately left the council.

[Paranoid Android]

100 Trillion dollars to drop the temperature by 1/17th of a degree according to NASA scientists.

It would stall the current trend of reaching 'critical mass' in 2030 by eight months.

Yet ignore that carbon dioxide levels were ten times as high during our last ice age, and the planet is still spinning.

You people just want 'experts' to tell you that it's all going to be okay.

Source for this?

[schwarzkopf]

Back this shit up with a peer reviewed research paper or get lost.

Already been done a thousand times... if you refuse to open your eyes, then the deluge of facts and information will never convince you.

Wait, you are one of those who believe that we can somehow do something about a climate change that has been in the making since 1880s?

Technically capable - absolutely, but just like the obese dude eating icecreams and burgers - our society doesn't have the will power to stop.

You see - the world is full of too many people such as yourself who have no understanding of the issue at hand, that lack the basic maths and physics understanding to realise what is going on.

All we need do is stop pumping shit into the air within 20 years or so, and we may just end up having a planet we can survive on.

[petej0]

Well the obvious thing other countries should do would be to sanction USA. Not sure if other countries have balls enough to do that, though.

All this "being shocked" about the decision is pointless. Leaving the Paris accord must have consequences - that's the only reason such an accord exists in the first place. So other nations, mainly Europeans, should grow a pair and act accordingly.

They dont have the backing to sanction the US. This is pull you have when you are a world leader and powerful military. Inevitably they will need our military muscle.

[GrinningMan]

Source for this?

google.com

[A dot Ham]

China has over 4x the population as the U.S. yet not even 2x the CO2 emissions. TY for posting that evidence.

So that's 2011, and moving forward China's current policies are looking to further improve CO2 reductions.

https://www.c2es.org/docUploads/chin...-agreement.pdf

Calling China our savior. Is like someone shooting you in the gut and then taking off their shirt to stop the bleeding. Thanks for deciding to do something about a problem YOU CAUSED. As noted the per capita contribution is similar to Canada, Australia, and Saudi Arabia.

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Twenty-five US companies including Apple, Facebook and Google have signed a letter imploring Mr Trump not to exit the 2015 Paris climate accord
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7766521.html

Its worth noting that those companies are internet/tech companies that manufacture... nothing.

Except Apple... who takes advantage of cheap labor and relaxed environmental laws and manufactures in China... interesting.

Which brings me back to this point:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html

In summary 16 tankers produce more carbon emissions than all the cars in the ENTIRE WORLD. But here's the REAL kicker... there aren't only 16 tankers. There are THOUSANDS of tankers throughout the world.

How do you think Apple's products make it to the US?

If they truly cared... they'd simply stop manufacturing in China. But its far more popular and trendy to jump on the "Down with Trump" bandwagon, than it is to actually take steps to BE GREEN. I doubt a product launch by apple even comes close to filling an entire ship. But conservatively lets say they employ 1 tanker. Apple and those that buy apple products are then responsible pollution that is equal to 1/16th of all the cars in the entire world COMBINED, and that is just to ship it from overseas. Just food for thought.

OMG they signed a letter! How edgy!

[Bullettime]

They dont have the backing to sanction the US. This is pull you have when you are a world leader and powerful military. Inevitably they will need our military muscle.

I'm just waiting for the states rights fiasco when the GOP start attacking California over forcing the country into it anyways.

CA and NY have already claimed they're going to do their own thing (as in agreeing with the accord) if Trump pulled out and they have enough pull to strongarm US businesses.

[Zmaniac17]

Back this shit up with a peer reviewed research paper or get lost.

Wait, you are one of those who believe that we can somehow do something about a climate change that has been in the making since 1880s?
Try getting India, Africa, S-America to slow themselves down. Maybe, just maybe, you'll safe something.

Unlikely.

This seriously resembles some sort of a Original Sin cult. It's not US that will be booming in next 30 years.

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg3/

Here you go, knock yourself out.

[Mittens]

America on the way into its isolation on climate questions. And on the way of losing europe as a partner in economy.

Trump seemed very upset. I think his next steps will be about tax raises against european imports.

Europe will still trade with the US, you lot are overreacting. Also, its voluntary, so nothing will happen.

[GennGreymane]

google.com

Well, I got a few dozen porn sites with the info you gave. Can you be more specific?

[Deleted]

Musk carried through on his threat and immediately left the council.

Why he believed on Trump in the first place is beyond me.

[Bullettime]

Why he believed on Trump in the first place is beyond me.

I guess then he could walk away saying he tried to do something instead of sitting idly.

[HumbleDuck]

Is your sig the deplorable national anthem?

Haha ha. That was good.

[Draco-Onis]

They dont have the backing to sanction the US. This is pull you have when you are a world leader and powerful military. Inevitably they will need our military muscle.

The agreement was voluntary there was no sanction or penalty to be had anyways. That said make no mistake about it this will have far ranging long term implication in terms of our relationship with our allies and the world. The US at least until Trump leave office will be left at the kids table while the grown ups shape up the future of the world. It was bad enough that Trump made it so that they don't trust us with secrets now they have no reason to include us in a multi trillion dollar global initiative and much more.

[schwarzkopf]

Calling China our savior.

I know a lot of climate change deniers have issues with basic maths, but here is the story:

Roughly speaking 60% of the issue is in the USA, Europe and China - around a third each.

Europe is a disorganised disintegrating mess.
USA is currently under a Kakistocracy and have decided to shut their eyes, poke their fingers in their ear holds and yell na na na na.

We are left with China as our only chance of keeping this thing going - China btw is spending as much on renewables as the US spends on blowing shit up. So yeah - desperate measures ... but what can you do.