US Pulls out of Paris Climate Accords

[ComputerNerd]

Pro-Trump people....there is no way you can defend this latest act of stupidity from your idiot-in-chief.

There is always a way to defend a poor decision.
The internet has made this clear.
We will be told there is no such thing as climate change, that science which gets in the way of profit is fake news, or some other excuse.
Dismissing science when it is inconvenient is really worrying.

[Taso]

That's not what I meant. What do you think will get more traffic? The G7 countries finally seeing significant reductions in emissions or the United States leaving the accords? This shit is all over the news, the public's reaction to it is what matters. That's what creates change.

But what if the public is mislead. Not saying global warming is a hoax because theirs an obvious reality( I wore shorts in February in north New Jersey) But what if theirs some exaggeration to how severe it is. I mean we really cannot stop the globe from warming or cooling only how fast it happens which in that in it of it self is also subjective.

[Sargerasraider]

There is always a way to defend a poor decision.
The internet has made this clear.
We will be told there is no such thing as climate change, that science which gets in the way of profit is fake news, or some other excuse.
Dismissing science when it is inconvenient is really worrying.

Again, not denying anything.

Please explain, with specifics, how the US pulling out of this accord will directly affect long term outcomes. Please discuss the long term temperature projections with and without the US as a signatory to this.

[Mittens]

Coal is cleaner than atom energy.

Now you are just trying too hard.

[Garnier Fructis]

Are you just jumping in with a pre-planned bullshit response without actually reading?

I'm pretty sure that jumping in without reading the last few pages is exactly what I wrote in that post. Congratulations, you're reading skills are working.

[Mittens]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ch...-idUSKBN15S0BB

Much commitment, much wow.

[Garnier Fructis]

The solution is to develop closed loop food science. You only need a finite amount of species to make food. This is a better path than relying on the sensitivity of large scale ecology.

I'm sorry, but hedging your bets on technology that you think we might have in the future is an absolutely terrible plan. We can throw this in with the idiocy of hedging our bets on large scale geo-engineering.

And it's so very characteristic of modern America: we want the easy way out of everything.

[Mormolyce]

President Donald Trump faces some unlikely opposition to the idea of pulling the U.S. out of the 2015 Paris climate accord: Exxon Mobil Corp. and ConocoPhillips, two of the world’s biggest oil producers.

Both companies reiterated their support Wednesday for the global agreement to cut greenhouse gas pollution amid reports that Trump planned to ditch a pact he says hurts the U.S. economy. Their argument: The U.S. is better off with a seat at the table so it can influence global efforts to curb emissions that are largely produced by the fossil fuels they profit from.

Exxon Chief Executive Officer Darren Woods took it a step further during the company’s annual investor meeting in Dallas, saying that oil demand will continue to grow in the coming decades, even with the Paris agreement in place.

“Energy needs are a function of population and living standards,” Woods said in his first annual meeting since becoming CEO on Jan. 1. “When it comes to policy, the goal should be to reduce emissions at the lowest cost to society.”

Woods has been a staunch advocate for keeping the U.S. in the Paris group, as was his predecessor Rex Tillerson, who is now Trump’s secretary of state. In his first blog post after becoming CEO, Woods advocated low-emission fuels, carbon capture and biofuels as tools for meeting the goals of the Paris agreement.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ighs-pact-exit

Topkek?

[The Oblivion]

The agreement was non-binding... Literally no one was forced to do anything with regard to it. At all.

so its pointless. i know. thank god we didnt waste time and give countries expectations of handouts from us and pulled out instead.

[ohiostate124]

so its pointless. i know. thank god we didnt waste time and give countries expectations of handouts from us and pulled out instead.

So we can still do what we are going to become greener without sending billions to other countries with no say in what they actually use it for? Sounds like a win-win.

[bloodkin]

The solution is to develop closed loop food science. You only need a finite amount of species to make food. This is a better path than relying on the sensitivity of large scale ecology.

That just isn't a viable and sustainable way to produce food or keep a livable environment. The services that the enviroment and ecosystems provide can't be recreated synthetically. Keeping our inviroment isn't wasting money, it's actually needed to maintain the biosphere as it is for our own benefit. It's sad how some people just can't see beyond their own little world and muh moniez.

[PC2]

I'm sorry, but hedging your bets on technology that you think we might have in the future is an absolutely terrible plan. We can throw this in with the idiocy of hedging our bets on large scale geo-engineering.

And it's so very characteristic of modern America: we want the easy way out of everything.

This isn't hedging it is the future of civilization and innovation. The climate will never be stagnant and we have to accept that biodiversity is not sacred.

[The Oblivion]

That's not what I meant. What do you think will get more traffic? The G7 countries finally seeing significant reductions in emissions or the United States leaving the accords? This shit is all over the news, the public's reaction to it is what matters. That's what creates change.

So we should from here on out, agree to random shit and just not follow through, because that will make us look better? LOL my god. The US is already changing, we dont need to be butt fucked by some shitty accord and pay out hundreds of billions a year to shitty countries that will spend it on whatever the fuck they like. It makes no sense. Joining has NO benefits and only downsides. Either we join and dont follow through and listen to that whining, or dont join and listen to that whining. Better yet, we join and actually through 300 billion in chinas and indias dumpster. jesus.

[Deleted]

Sums it up:

[PC2]

That just isn't a viable and sustainable way to produce food or keep a livable environment. The services that the enviroment and ecosystems provide can't be recreated synthetically. Keeping our inviroment isn't wasting money, it's actually needed to maintain the biosphere as it is for our own benefit. It's sad how some people just can't see beyond their own little world and muh moniez.

That isn't true, food science is not magic. It can all be turned into a reliable process.

[Garnier Fructis]

This isn't hedging it is the future of civilization and innovation. The climate will never be stagnant and we have to accept that biodiversity is not sacred.

It's not the future. It's the future we hope will be there to save our asses.

That's exactly what geo-engineering and your weird 'closed loop food science' is. It's simply hope with little to no justification, and you're using it to swat away actually realistic responses.

[The Oblivion]

It's largely symbolic, the US sticking up its middle finger at the rest of the world.

The US has always talked a big game about being "the leader of the free world" and the protector of democracy and all that nonsense. When there's an accord between every enlightened nation in the world and the US decides to drop out of it in order to pursue its own self interest, it completely contradicts that message. This isn't the action of a leader, it's the action of a selfish nation.

the other enlightened countries were not to send hundreds of billions of dollars to other countries a year and cross their fingers hoping they use the funds correct, as there are no teeth to these accords, so no action could be taken. That or not send it and join the accord, but treat it like we arent in it anyways. LOL

The other countries were not being prohibited from using there own energy reserves.

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So we can still do what we are going to become greener without sending billions to other countries with no say in what they actually use it for? Sounds like a win-win.

it is. LOL there was no positive for joining other then being able to say we all came together, it means nothing, and it actually has HUGE negatives for the US.

[Tripax]

Trump does what needs to be done... ...to gain short-time acceptance from his supporters.

[The Oblivion]

Trump does what needs to be done... ...to gain short-time acceptance from his supporters.

what benefits would the US have received for being part of these accords?

what would the downsides be?

lets see how well you understand what this actually was.

[Osmeric]

So now how does this relate to the Kyoto protocol which bush jr refused to join.

The US actually exceeded the commitments for emission reduction it would have had in Kyoto.

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That isn't necessarily true. You are assuming we, as a nation, will keep trying to lower emissions. That is likely what will happen, but you have no way of knowing for sure.

Sometimes emissions decline even if Big Brother doesn't force people to reduce them.