US Pulls out of Paris Climate Accords

[Graeham]

I think the most hilarious aspect of all this is reading the mainstream media and seeing all the 'outraged' politicians, CEO's and celebrities bending over backwards to criticise Trump and his supporters. I believe this to be justified in many aspects, but they need to accept that they themselves are part of the problem - especially when they jet all over the world on a whim and contribute far more to needless emissions compared to regular people who are simply living their lives as best they can.

[Deleted]

I don't need to. When you present the article with a remark like that I already know your source is as questionable as your moral judgment.

"I don't need to"

You're not 12. If you want to debate somebody you should at least know your subject. Not simply try to attack the person. There is more to it than just "The US pulled out of the climate accord, they must hate the climate". If the reason for the US to "lead" in the climate battle was to pledge the most amount of money to other countries, then let someone else take the reins.

[LMuhlen]

Quite frankly, it is sad that you people think an agreement is required to make us do the "right" thing, whatever that may be.

Oh yeah, wealth loving Americans will always choose to do the right thing at the cost of becoming more wealthy. It's a known cultural trait all Americans share. Americans should be considered a new species, direct evolution of the otherwise prehistoric Homo sapiens. We should call them 'Homo selflens' for their innate desire of doing what's best for everyone at the cost of their own personal gains.

[Ghostpanther]

Yeah... nothing Trump does or can do will bring back coal jobs. They's gone. And (for example) GM doesn't want to make a different car for the US vs the rest of the world, so they'll still comply with the emissions standards everyone else sets. All this does, is remove us from a leadership role.

He already has. This is a part of a recent news report on said subject...

"Although it will take a while before the coal industry recovers, the metallurgical or "met coal" markets – coal used to make steel – are already seeing a major upswing. The price for met coal is twice as high as it was a year ago, which is causing a boom in the coalfields.

The turnaround owes to more than just Trump. China cut its own production, which helps lift the met industry in the United States. But, many in this area say, Trump’s moves to lift regulations are stoking a rally they have not seen in years.

Ramasco Resources began producing its first coal mine in December and said it would open two more this year. In Pennsylvania, Corsa Coal also announced this month that it would begin mining operations beginning in May, according to Bloomberg.
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[Draco-Onis]

Anything is better then sending 100 Billion dollars of tax payer money abroad for a voluntary agreement that most didn't actually agree to do anything for nor any real consequences for not doing anything but I bet plenty got their hands on the money.

That is not a delusion.

Sigh educate yourself Trump is mixing up two piece of information the United Nations Green Climate Fund and broad pledge to give 100 billion dollars globally not just from the United States. Again what part of voluntary non binding agreement did you not understand? not only are you delusional you are ignorant about the subject.

[Ateo]

193 of 196 countries sign, trump is a selfish idiot... the USA is doomed. We're witnessing the fall of a modern empire before our very eyes.

[Daelak]

Anything is better then sending 100 Billion dollars of U.S. tax payer money abroad for a voluntary agreement that most didn't actually agree to do anything for nor any real consequences for not doing anything but I bet plenty got their hands on the money.

That is not a delusion.

We do that daily for the state department to keep relationships with foreign governments open for mediation and a show of goodwill.

[Skroe]

Says the fucking flat earther. Why would anyone take anything you ever say seriously? You have zero credit when it comes to anything scientific. You shouldn't even be allowed to post in a thread that even slightly has a topic on science.

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Complete bullshit and might as well be a conspiracy theory. Schools don't indoctrinate anyone at any level with any kind left wing policy. If anything they indoctrinate them with right ring bullshit in southern states. I mean fuck, they even outlaw sex ed classes in some states.

Seriously, what fucking fantasy land do you live in?

You're talking to a guy who thinks the Earth is flat. Really.

He's only here because the mod's don't believe in perm bans for some reason.

[Deleted]

because the mod's don't believe in perm bans for some reason.

It's unethical, that's why.

[Draco-Onis]

He already has. This is a part of a recent news report on said subject...

The coal industry employs around 80,000 people, solar alone employs 375,000 people and growing. There is no doubt that the energy source of the future is not a finite commodity somehow people have deluded themselves into thinking coal still has a future.

[Skroe]

He already has. This is a part of a recent news report on said subject...

"Although it will take a while before the coal industry recovers, the metallurgical or "met coal" markets – coal used to make steel – are already seeing a major upswing. The price for met coal is twice as high as it was a year ago, which is causing a boom in the coalfields.

The turnaround owes to more than just Trump. China cut its own production, which helps lift the met industry in the United States. But, many in this area say, Trump’s moves to lift regulations are stoking a rally they have not seen in years.

Ramasco Resources began producing its first coal mine in December and said it would open two more this year. In Pennsylvania, Corsa Coal also announced this month that it would begin mining operations beginning in May, according to Bloomberg.
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You left out the number of jobs because you're a fraud and a liar.

The number is a whopping 70 jobs by the way.

[A dot Ham]

Trump is most assuredly part of the topic, and others have made similar comparisons. I'm not trolling, but you seem to not want to talk about this at all...

Part of the top yes, not THE topic.

Your opinion or that of anyone else regarding Trump is next to irrelevant. This isn't a do you like Trump thread. This isn't Dr. Seuss... I do not like him Sam I am.

What is worse is not only is it just opinion... the little tirade was pure fiction.

How does "I do not like Trump, I think he's a giant douche, he's the worst person. ever." contribute to the conversation about his decision to pull out of the Paris Accords? What is the conversation that we can have with that type of post? Nothing...

It's damn near impossible to have a conversation with anyone who lives in their own little fantasy world where Trump = Nero, as such when you live in that fantasy world, ignorant of reality, I imagine it is quite blissful.

But you don't actually believe the post was contributory... you're just trolling. Not sure how you got off my ignore list, but I have corrected the error.

[Thepersona]

You're talking to a guy who thinks the Earth is flat. Really.

He's only here because the mod's don't believe in perm bans for some reason.

there are perma bans though. but u get them if you post pornography (i guess), child pornography, death/violence threats or gore... i kinda rememberthat someone said to me that this forum (mmo-c) does have some posters perma banned. But personally, i could be happy with a 1 month ban for baiting, repeated trolling trolling or conspiracy theories

[quras]

Sigh educate yourself Trump is mixing up two piece of information the United Nations Green Climate Fund and broad pledge to give 100 billion dollars globally not just from the United States. Again what part of voluntary non binding agreement did you not understand? not only are you delusional you are ignorant about the subject.

Sorry you are incapable of reading but you are vastly uninformed.

By 2016, we paid 500 million to the Green climate fund and spend 10 Billion on our own domestic green-energy plans. Obama on top of that pledged 100 Billion for the accord. The largest of all other countries and for an accord that is voluntary. As in, you can get out of it any time you want and you don't have to do it. Thats a bit to lofty a pledge for me.

Don't bitch because someone decided to not honor Obama's 100 billion dollar pledge. I wouldn't agree to that either given the facts on that and how we simply cannot reach that goal nor reach the lofty green house emissions goal obama set forth.

In the end it will fall exactly like this:
"Despite being the country that made the ambitious pledge, that pursued the costly policies, and that sent taxpayer funds abroad, it will be the United States that is “failing” on its climate commitments. The American people will find themselves the climate villains, told to do more, asked to give more. "

Why didn't you do more? Why not give more as others signed up to do little to nothing.

That is something that should have never been agreed to in the first place. At a minimum it should have been an achievable goal and sending that kind of money abroad is just moronic.

Again, I'm not ready to condemn pulling out of the accord just yet because there has to be a better way than what is currently being done both from a U.S. monetary stand point of a tax payer and an accord that is just voluntary in the first place to which most countries didn't bother to actually do anything anyway but want a cut of the money.

We do that daily for the state department to keep relationships with foreign governments open for mediation and a show of goodwill.

and I'd bet that 100 Billion is on top of what they are already lining their pockets with.

Thats a problem.

[Skroe]

It's unethical, that's why.

Nonsense. Not one someone is actually a flat-earther. It's quite clear what they're doing.

[Narwal]

Why can't America raising it's own standards to curb our own emissions be a show of leadership? Why is the only option, to being a leader for a cleaner world, have to be handing American tax payer money over to other countries? Why should one be labeled a "climate change denier", if they believe the Paris agreement was fundamentally the wrong approach to leading in the area of a cleaner planet? Is it your belief, that unless America pays for other countries to improve emissions, that it won't get done? Does that make the people against the welfare of American dollars to other countries the bad guys? Or does it simply show that you're laying blame and labels for climate change on the wrong people?

Of course the planet is going to be for an agreement that transfers money from Americans to the rest of the world. What do they have to lose? If in China, they have so much smog that you can't see from one side of the street to the other... why does it take an agreement with the rest of the world to get them to clean up their act?

[Draco-Onis]

Sorry you are incapable of reading but you are vastly uninformed.

Voluntary accord with no penalties that we set the standards learn to read, if your reading comprehension is that low then I don't need to bother.

[Daelak]

and I'd bet that 100 Billion is on top of what they are already lining their pockets with.

Thats a problem.

It's not a problem, it's how international diplomacy works.

[Fleuria]

So Trump pulled out because of the 100 billion dollar promise Obama made when no one else wants to throw in a stipend but yet the other countries whine about it now because Trump wants to make them pledge money to it as well rather than it just lining their pockets.

Classic.

[quras]

Voluntary accord with no penalties that we set the standards learn to read, if your reading comprehension is that low then I don't need to bother.

"Voluntary accord with no penalties that we set the standards "

That is correct. Now, it's time to change that because it's a goal that was set to high, to many didn't give a shit at all but sign on as if they just wanted to be part of the band to get there hands on some cash while we footed the largest part of the Bill/handout.

Hell, I'd back out of that voluntary BS too and change things to something more agreeable and reachable.

So Trump pulled out because of the 100 billion dollar promise Obama made when no one else wants to throw in a stipend but yet the other countries whine about it now because Trump wants to make them pledge money to it as well.

Classic.

Thats the basis of it all because in the end, it was all voluntary anyway to which most didn't seem to bother to actually pledge anything themselves.