For 1080p/60FPS I'd totally agree with you. For 1080p/144hz most definitely not. For 1440p, maybe for current games. However, most people buy a GPU to last them 3-6 years. In 3-6 years, will a GTX 1080 still be ok for 1440p? Can't really say myself, I'd say it's probably worth it though.
You spend the money you might as well take advantage of your money spent. Plus you don't want to be playing any game at 1080p on a 1440p monitor. 720p sure, but why?
Overkill implies that you'll take full advantage of the piece of hardware. If you say that the step down (1070) can only give you Ultra in "most" games then it's completely contradicting to your point. The 1080 will outlive the 1070 regardless in terms of performance.
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I guess that's true, but monitors always look better at their native resolution and if you have one, why would you not want to use it? Sure, you could spend less on a 1070 now, and then in 2-3 years when it can't quite cut it at 1440p anymore buy a 1270 or 1370 or whatever they have at the time, but if you just bought a 1080 now, you'd spend less money in the long run.
All a moot point really because OP has a 1080p/60hz monitor, so yes, the 1080 is probably overkill. At 1440p, it's not quite so cut and dry as he made it out to be though.
You will be fine even with a 1060 or a RX480.
1070 will ℅100 run all your games, ultra settings @ 1080p/ 60fps. ( Assuming you have a semi decent CPU to go along with it)
With a 1080 you'll be able to use higher rendering scales ( ie downscaling let's say 4k to 1080) but that's really beside the point. Anyone who claims 1070 can't handle 1080/60 @ ultra probably doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you are at 1080P only get the 1080 if you want to play at 144HZ otherwise a 1070 will do.
I built a nice PC a bit more than one year ago. With a 6700K, GTX 1080, 32GB of ram, 2 SSD, 2 HDD, custom loop. So quite overkill for pretty much anything I do/play (even if I actually use its calculation power when I work home).
I had the money and hadn't changed for quite some time (was on a SLI of 670 on a I7-920). And while it certainly run smoothly any games I throw at it. I told myself it was the last time I will go this route with a build. Seeing how well the 670 went. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have seen any real difference with a 1070.
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CPU may look like it is working perfectly, but it is the choke point. Yeah, a 6950 is getting a little weak for WoW I think, but even a 750ti can handle the game at mostly max settings as long as you don't have some stupid things like render scale turned up as long as you are at 1080p. The CPU however looks like it is ok, because WoW is primarily run on one thread. There are several other threads, but there is one big one that does most of everything and it runs on one core only. On a 4 core CPU, if it maxes out one core, that's only using 25% of the CPU. So it looks like it's not using much of the CPU, but you are really at the limit. In addition to that, it does not properly utilize modern CPUs, so it;s not even really fully using that one core, so even that core does not look like it is maxed out.
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Yes, a 1080 isn't going much over 100 fps at 1440p with maxed settings or anything close, and is really just an intro card for any 4k content. If you want to use any SSAA you'll lose half your FPS on top of that.
Nothing surprising when even a 1080 SLI doesnt correctly support the 1440p at 144Hz.
The guy who said 1080 GTX is overkill under 4k is just a stupid one who didnt even have a GTX 10.
Depends on what you actually play. I opted for a 1070 myself and my wife a 1060 as it was past time for graphic updates. I thought about a 1080ti at the time, but decided to wait and save for a new CPU/Mobo/Case combo.
I also don't play a lot of the big graphic hog games on my PC CURRENTLY, but that will change in the future and I'm going to wait out the next gen with the 1070. I have a 1440p 144mhz 1 mil refresh gsync monitor. I'd honestly say, upgrade your monitor first then think about the 1080, you'll notice the difference more.
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@1080p 60fps = overkill
@1440p 60-144fps = just right but stay away from supersampling
@4k 60fps+ = unless you have an SLI setup you shouldn't be bothering with 4k. It's not going to be a standard any time soon and the market for it probably won't level off till 2020.
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It is worth the price tag for several reasons.
- Reliability: x80 cards are made of higher quality components then the cheaper versions meaning that it will last you for several years before any issues might arise.
- Performance and staying power: A 1080 is capable of playing the vast majority of games at 1080p/60fps at max settings, but more importantly this will remain the case for a longer period of time then if you purchase a cheaper card so you do save yourself money in the long run if you care about maxing things out and having smooth performance.
- Downscaling: For a lot titles even on a 1080p monitor you can downscale to get better image quality, if not 4k downscaling then 1440p. You can still do it on a cheaper card but not quite as much.
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Heh ive got a 1060 with a 1440p 165hz monitor, gsync essentially allows lower end GPU's to perform well on any title. And on older/less intensive games i am still in the 165fps+ range.
People should definitely be putting monitor ahead of GPU In terms of budget, is what id like to get across.
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How did you explain your message when you have to know then 1440p144 need more ressources than 4k60 ?
So you pass on 1440p144 but not in 4k60 ? Well, you're lying.
You can try with a 1080 SLI or 1070 SLI, they can do 4k60 without problems on all correctly coded games but not 1440p144.
Because 1440p144 > 4k60 in ressources.
Theres a difference between gsync frames and flat frames, without mentionning the input lag. At least you can be at 30 Hz in game and 165Hz in monitor, But you will not see 165 frames, otherwise we would all buy GTX 750 to turn in 4k 144Hz with Gsync.
Even 1080 SLI can't do 1440p 144Hz correctly.
He can't run BF1 Ultra at 1440p144 even with a second 1070. He'll be at 125-130fps, my case.
Single 1070 with I7 it's 80-95 fps in BF1 Ultra @ 1440p
There is a lot of liars on this topic.
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