On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
personally, i am totally against the climate accords from a US perspective. I do believe in climate change and working to reduce emissions though. How extreme or what may come of climate change, i doubt it will be catastrophic or something we cant handle, but there is no downside in working to reduce it as we go along.
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On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Cherry-picking numbers you've made no effort to understand the context of is a textbook example of willful ignorance, in fact. I'm not sure why you've decided to provide a character example of my point, but you're doing a bang-up job.
Is there a reason you're ignoring the hundreds of sources and comprehensive analysis report that I provided you?
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If you're refusing to believe science because "liberals" believe science, that's willful ignorance. It's just explaining your motive, not a defense of your behaviour.
And it's actually none of those things. It's just a way for countries to signal their intentions. It's unfortunate for the U.S. that this happened but I think overall for the world it's a good thing. Trump makes a good bad guy. He's inept so the bad things he tries don't do much damage but it's enough to get people to join together against him. And ironically that's kinda what we need. And this gave climate change a lot of good news coverage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_(economics)
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Because they're the ones who started the attacks with direct insults and accusations of dishonesty, and literally all I'm doing is pointing out the irrational nature of their argument in clear and unbiased terms. This is me being empathic and understanding, and trying to point out the irrational core of their argument and getting them to see it for what it is.
Maybe calling it like it is is "dickish" because I'm not obsequious enough for you, but I don't have time to spend much time being concerned about grown adults being upset when I point out that they're wrong and have no legitimate argument to back their claims. Especially not when they are overtly and explicitly hostile and abusive in their own statements.
There's also that I don't really expect to convince a denier that they're wrong. They've already discarded evidence and reason as principles they consider in forming their own opinions, so there's nothing I could ever show them that would ever convince them of anything. And that's their choice. What I can do, is demonstrate how completely without merit their arguments are to everyone else reading the thread, so those who honestly doesn't know about the subject and are willing to listen to the evidence can come to an informed understanding.
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On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Did you read that last paragraph? I edited it in but you still caught it in the quote, so you may not have.
It isn't meant to "convince" the deniers, because by denying evidence and facts, they've decided they aren't willing to be convinced of anything. They have predetermined and fact-free conclusions, and are completely unwilling to consider any evidence that contradicts those views.
I find that unfortunate, but there's nothing I can do about it. But I can demonstrate how meritless their arguments are to everyone else, to prevent their views spreading.
The temperature of the earth does fluctuate, but what you're looking at is changes over the course of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of years, we're projecting changes in the range of decades to centuries.
Life can adapt to minute changes over hundreds/thousands of generations, but not to changes this rapid. We're living in the Holocene extinction, the greatest loss of biodiversity in 65 million years.
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The US is already likely to meet its Paris accord commitments regardless of Trump's withdrawal from the accord itself. Because natural gas is 50% cleaner than coal, and the price of natural gas, already below the historic average, is likely to decline further, due to advances in extraction technology. That the Trump administration is pursuing policies to increase natgas production only increases that likelihood of price declination which only hastens the phasing out of coal.
I'm not precisely sure why people are putting so much stock into the accord, given that it's completely toothless. Well, maybe that's not true; people are putting stock in it because Trump Did A Thing, so people are virtue signalling like their lives depended on it.
Indeed. It makes it painfully obvious to the world that the US president is a commitment-averse backward anti-intellectual manchild. He could have at least pretended to be a grown up. Now they have to wonder what other commitments the US will renege on, whether this will be a four/eight-year trend of complete reversals with every new administration.
The US negotiated this accord to be a leader in this field and now has completely backtracked. Who can count on us for anything?
Considering we don't gain anything from this, and lose a great deal, it isn't difficult to question the wisdom.
The US is cooperating on this issue, by meeting its goals regardless, and is likely going to be the only state that meets its Paris commitments, because the US alone has market forces working towards emission reductions rather than away from it. What's petty and pointless is denigrating that achievement just so people can harass an unpopular President.
Are you butt hurt? I was looking at an image today and you're the first person I thought of.
All this agreement would've accomplished is fuck the American middle and lower class people with higher energy cost and job loss. China and India would've made money hand over fist while laughing at us.
People like you want that to happen though.
I am fucking estatic Trump did exactly like he said he would. Go take your fake man made climate change ideology and shove it up your ass.
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