US States, Cities defy Trump withdrawing from Paris Accord

[Najnaj]

Some states will pass laws regulating emissions, some will not and will instead let the free market dictate. States' rights and free market doing what they were meant to do. If a business wants to tout clean energy to market their product than good for them. If people want to possibly spend extra for a product made from clean energy then good for them.

The belief in the self regulating market place has been proven wrong over and over again. As a species, we tend to think that responsible behavior is everyone elses responsibility. We already have problems getting people to stick to regulations so why would you believe in this incredibly stupid idea that removing regulations could work?

[Deleted]

You know that China needs to do nothing until 2030 while their major competitors need to substantially reduce emissions now, right? Who would be stupid enough not to agree to that?

On June 30, 2015, China formally submitted its intended nationally determined contribution (INDC) to the new global climate agreement to be concluded this December in Paris. China committed to the following actions by 2030:

1. Peaking of carbon dioxide emissions around 2030 and making best efforts to peak early;
2. Lowering carbon dioxide intensity (carbon dioxide emissions per unit of GDP) by 60 to 65 percent from the 2005 level.
3. Increasing the share of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to around 20 percent;
4. Increasing the forest stock volume by around 4.5 billion cubic meters from the 2005 level.

https://www.c2es.org/docUploads/chin...-agreement.pdf

[GennGreymane]

technically can be seen as unconstitutional as states and more so local governments generally cannot deal with foreign powers.

[Deleted]

This is exactly how it should be. Let the free market dictate. Let each state decide for itself how it wants to handle climate change. Don't force it with burdensome regulation and taxation. States' rights and free market capitalism ftw.

States cannot join international treaties as per the Logan act. They can uphold the standards and raise their cost of living of course, which will do nothing but further impoverish their people. This is why so many people are leaving California and fleeing to Texas. We basically have our own refugee crisis, and they're fleeing to business/middle class friendly states.

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technically can be seen as unconstitutional as states and more so local governments generally cannot deal with foreign powers.

It is. Look forward to this going to court.

[GennGreymane]

Anybody concerned about putting the planet first should be agreeing to it. Theres no perfect answer but the USA has had benefit from polluting for longer so can eat a little more onerous obligation than China.

Seriously when you're one of 3 countries in the world rallying against this it defies belief that you think the 197 are wrong and you're right.

Syria didnt do anything due to you know.... its whole situation
Nicaragua wanted a more strict deal

US is literally alone on this.

[Kiri]

States cannot join international treaties as per the Logan act. They can uphold the standards and raise their cost of living of course, which will do nothing but further impoverish their people. This is why so many people are leaving California and fleeing to Texas. We basically have our own refugee crisis, and they're fleeing to business/middle class friendly states.

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It is. Look forward to this going to court.

Yeah, which is exactly why this kind of thing needs and should be dealt with on the federal level. But sadly, the current president does not have the interests of the states and cities in mind, so they have to act on their own. He may speak of Pittsburgh, but he does not speak for it.

[bladeXcrasher]

People act like the US hasn't been reducing emissions before the Paris Accord.

[GennGreymane]

People act like the US hasn't been reducing emissions before the Paris Accord.

well the recent Trump administration has reversed on a couple of policies that can be seen as environmentally friendly in nature.

[Gemini Soul]

There is already a thread about this...

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...limate-Accords

[ranzino]

People act like the US hasn't been reducing emissions before the Paris Accord.

ummm, perhaps not enough ?

[bladeXcrasher]

well the recent Trump administration has reversed on a couple of policies that can be seen as environmentally friendly in nature.

please don't say coal is coming back, because it isn't.

[GennGreymane]

please don't say coal is coming back, because it isn't.

Trump seems to think so, at least openly not privately

[prwraith]

Regulations stifle the industry, in turn killing innovation.

This is categorically incorrect, it's so wrong I'm honestly not even sure where to start

[Pickynerd]

This is categorically incorrect, it's so wrong I'm honestly not even sure where to start

Boy I'd love to see you try and explain it.

[Kokolums]

Cities set policy, sure. However, urban areas have different politics compared to suburban or rural areas, and there's a line to draw where the federal government should step in and make sure all voices are heard, otherwise cities could dictate what the other two groups do. Trump might have a good case to make that in order to make sure all the people have their voice heard, his federal guidelines should be followed.

[AchillesRage]

US Constitution: Article 1 Section 10

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power

/thread

[ohiostate124]

Wtf We love states rights now

[Deleted]

We already have a (pretty long) thread about the same topic, which you can find here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...limate-Accords

Closing this one.