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You don't say? Shimmer may be better only on fights where you have to change position once in a while (Krosus beams). Slipstream is still saver option tho. I don't recall situations where i had to stop cast spells to move except from situations where I simply failef by using all AM stacks without reason)
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frost also have ice floes which is significantly better than slipstream imo.
Think it's way too early to tell since tuning is not done.
The major question wil be what they will do with the Glacial Spike build.
If it will remain as it is, I can see this being very strong in ToS.
It seems that there are 9 encounters in Tomb of Sargeras which I believe will favor certain specs.
2 of them are council (Frost/Fire)
1 of them a two boss (Frost/Fire)
4 single target (Arcane/Frost)
2 add heavy (Fire)
I think Frost will be solid if things stay as they are since frost is competitive in both pure single target and cleave while being a bit more mobile than arcane.
Especially seeing what melee are dishing out in PTR logs on single target I think it would be wise to focus on the strongest single target spec if you want to remain competitive which really seems to be just arcane/frost.
Well I think that having Fire's viability dependent on those shoulders would have been a bad move anyway. We can always hope for a proper buff to fire sometime during tomb. However, the shoulders themselves are now just plain bad. Perhaps they are fiddling with the scales trying to find an appropriate number? It still won't save fire at this point though.
I just want a solid answer as to whether I should go frost or arcane for tomb though. As long as the PTR is active everything is up in the air though.
Lol shoulders will be another of those legendaries that make you curse the whole world when getting them!!
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Independent of legendaries, I would guess frost of arcane.
Independent of how legion patches have gone so far, I would guess frost.
Factoring in how legion patches have gone so far, I would guess arcane.
the problem is that fire's legendaries provide a fairly big chunk of dps, so if fire is going to be a halfway decent spec for those ppl that havent been lucky enough to get the bis legendaries, then the value of those legendaries need to drop, id love for fire's dps to be closer to frost but if it is, then taking legendaries into account, fire would be the most OP spec in the game, there is a reason why frost is the least legendary dependent spec we have and thats bcoz frost does so much dps without them and frost's legendaries overall provide a significantly smaller chunk of its dps compared to fire, take the frost bracers which is our 2nd best legendary afaik and at best its a 5% st dps increase, the fire belt/bracers provide quite a bit more than that.
Do you guys think that maybe Fire still has hope?
I mean it's in a blue post on the front page, albeit for Elemental but representative of a more general process.
'Most of the changes you've seen to other specs in 7.2.5 thus far have been focused around addressing core mechanical issues. We've only recently begun the process of making changes intended to bring each spec's performance more in line with the others.'
Perhaps we shouldn't write fire off quite yet, it is by far our weakest spec and if anything is likely to get tuning attention it should be it.