Four countries cut links with Qatar over 'terrorism' support

[downnola]

People here saying saudis support ISIS is the biggest joke i have ever read.

if so, USA or european nation could have drawn the line with saudis if it actually happens, but people in mmo have better agency than major countries Kappa

isis has been targeting saudis and killing them, why saudis support their agressors?

isis so far has not touched iran soil, and i wonder why, even though iran should be infidel to their eyes as they are different sect.

i wonder what news they get their info from?

ISIS and Iranian militias/Hezbollah have been killing each other for the past 6 years in Syria and Iraq.

But yeah, the claims that Saudi Arabia backs ISIS are pathetically false.

[Sting]

I hope this doesn't escalate too much :/ Might have a job coming up in Dubai

[CostinR]

I hope this doesn't escalate too much :/ Might have a job coming up in Dubai

You may want to abandon those plans. There's chatter that this could lead to a war.

[Khaza-R]

You know how this started it started from a hack to one of the state news companies twitter. In the hacked tweet they said that Qatar supports Israel and Iran and believes Hamas represents Palestine. Imminently Qatar claims this is not true and it was hack. Saudi, Egypt and UAE acted like Qatar said nothing. Btw Israel now supports being anti-Qatar. Its bullshit They were trying to find reasons to cut ties with Qatar so they went with terrorism.

Real reason is after Qatar was not supporting enough troops to Yemen one of the worst humanitarian wars recently.Also because Qatar congratulated the Iran's Leader of his recent election.The only reason this war happen is because unlike Bahrain, Qatar wants a mind of its own. They dont want to be controlled by Saudi Arabia.

Egypt hates us because we supported The Muslim brotherhood (just because its Muslim does not mean they are terrorists). The Muslim brotherhood candidate won the first Egyptian election and then was over thrown by the dictator Cece. Qatar sided with the elected president when the coup was happening in Egypt and after years he still holds a grudge.

The grudge that made all these troubles come. Qatar ironically supported democracy not a dictatorship in Egypt and this is what comes out of it.

Didn't the Muslim Brotherhood target Coptic Christians in Egypt before the recent string of ISIS related attacks?

[Thunderball]

People here saying saudis support ISIS is the biggest joke i have ever read.

if so, USA or european nation could have drawn the line with saudis if it actually happens, but people in mmo have better agency than major countries Kappa

Both Qatar and Saudis are funding ISIS. US cant draw any lines because they use those groups to their benefit (for example to fight Soviets in Afghanistan, Qaddafi in Lybia or Assad in Syria), Europe cant draw the line because they are not allowed to take their own geopolitical decisions.

isis has been targeting saudis and killing them, why saudis support their agressors?

When? Invasions, terrorist attacks, anything? You wont be able to name anything because there werent any.

isis so far has not touched iran soil, and i wonder why, even though iran should be infidel to their eyes as they are different sect.

i wonder what news they get their info from?

Iran has been having problems with terrorists ever since NATO invaded Afghanistan and it's been going on ever since non-stop. Other than that if Iraq falls to the ISIS then Iran will obviously have problems from the west aswell. Why do you think Iran furiously supports anyone fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria: if those fail Iran is next and wont be able to handle invasions from the east and from the west at the same time.

[Mormolyce]

Judge an entire country based on a few ppl...oh wait we already do with the U.S and Trump.

Isn't it the opposite? The few rich bastards who run the country are the US-friendly ones.

[Ravenblade]

This is just really taking the p... you know it's just about "You better support my kind of terrorism or else!" kind of gesture. Let's be honest this just the usual sectarian strife combined with power-play. Don't think these countries down there require us to mess with each other they can do that perfectly on their own.

[Ravenblade]

We only mess with them because if we leave them alone, no one will be able to drill the oil and pump the gas out. If the Middle East had no resources of merit, they'd be like Africa.

Qatar is about the most proliferating country though with its many investor connections, at least in Europe. I think they are aware that their resources are finite. Africa itself is investment haven for China. It's not really a poor continent just one whose resources are exploited while the inhabitants rarely see any wealth going back into their pockets.

[Teaon]

Both Qatar and Saudis are funding ISIS. US cant draw any lines because they use those groups to their benefit (for example to fight Soviets in Afghanistan, Qaddafi in Lybia or Assad in Syria), Europe cant draw the line because they are not allowed to take their own geopolitical decisions.



When? Invasions, terrorist attacks, anything? You wont be able to name anything because there werent any.



Iran has been having problems with terrorists ever since NATO invaded Afghanistan and it's been going on ever since non-stop. Other than that if Iraq falls to the ISIS then Iran will obviously have problems from the west aswell. Why do you think Iran furiously supports anyone fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria: if those fail Iran is next and wont be able to handle invasions from the east and from the west at the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...di_Arabia#2002

they even tried to assassinate Mohammad Bin Naif in 2009, who is the heir to the kingdom right now.

Iran been hosting terrorist, manliy Al Qaieda, you should know that by know, esp after many BinLaden speechs praising Iran.

IsIs been calling saudi royal famliy infidels everytime they mention them, they even call them Al-Salul(insult) instead of Al-Saood, if you want to know what Al-Salol means here have a look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd-Allah_ibn_Ubayy

USA and Europe cannot draw the line with Russia because, its a world strong power, how did you just compare Russian to Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is no where as strong and dangerous as Russia, and a permanent member in UN security council

[Flarelaine]

Good to see some of those Countries beginning to clean up their own backyards.

Duh, Saudis complaining about support for terrorism? Pot calling kettle black.

Nah, it's much simpler. Qatar is sitting on top on a humongous natural gas field they share with Iran. Accordingly, when the Saudis (newly emboldened by Trump's visit) called on them to condemn Iran, they didn't. Incidentally, they had rebuffed neighbourly requests for cheap gas and instead they are shipping it overseas at a premium.

[Anon56]

Egypt hates us because we supported The Muslim brotherhood (just because its Muslim does not mean they are terrorists).

The Muslim Brotherhood is an international terrorist organization seeking to implant radical Islam in moderate Arabs countries and must be dealt with, along with everyone supporting them, accordingly. The best way to deal with them is by following the example of Egypt or Assad's father.

[Mihalik]

Iran been hosting terrorist, manliy Al Qaieda, you should know that by know, esp after many BinLaden speechs praising Iran.

Bullshit. I thought we stopped that bullshit narrative back in 2008.

Iran has a complex relationship with different factions across the Middle East (as do all the other ME countries and everyone else involved in that region including the US who is in a proxy alliance with Al Qaeda in Syria via the Al Nusra Front and its alliance with the US surrogate Free Syrian Army), but they are no friends with Al Qaeda simply because Al Qaeda is a Sunni and Saudi organization.

Al Qaeda might not be a huge fan of the core of the royal family but its ideological, financial and staffing power base is very much Saudi. There's also the ethnic divide Sunni's being Arab and the Shia Iranians being Persian that is worth mentioning.

I'm 100% not claiming Iran isn't a state sponsor of terrorism, but let's not assign blame on the wrong side, and let's not pretend the fucking Saudis aren't Wahhabism Central. The Iranians are in cahoots with Hezbollah and Hamas, and they also sponsor all sorts of Shia groups across Iraq and Syria and they are very much involved with Assad who to some extent is a sort of terrorist himself.

But the Iranians have very little to no interest in anti-Western forms of Jihad (except their morbid obsession with Israel, tho that one is mutual), but very much in a regional power struggle with the Sunnis. Actually the Iranians would be EXTREMELY fast allies with the West if we stopped being the Saudis state sponsor.

I am even willing to bet they would be willing to dial down the anti-Israel bullshit in return.

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The Muslim Brotherhood is an international terrorist organization seeking to implant radical Islam in moderate Arabs countries and must be dealt with, along with everyone supporting them, accordingly. The best way to deal with them is by following the example of Egypt or Assad's father.

The Muslim Brotherhood is all the things you said it is. But claiming that the network of Imams, warlords, royals and princes that the Saudis represent is better by any measure is absurd, if anything they are arguably worse, as the form of Islamic governance represented by the Saudis is more radical, violent and oppressive than anything the Muslim Brotherhood ever came up with.

There is no choice here. It literally doesn't matter which camp you pick, they are both cancerous. One is ISIS that made it (the Saudis) and the other is a Wannabe ISIS (the Muslim Brotherhood).

[The One Percent]

Yeah, we all know the hard edge the saudis take on terrorism lol

[Anon56]

The Muslim Brotherhood is all the things you said it is. But claiming that the network of Imams, warlords, royals and princes that the Saudis represent is better by any measure is absurd, if anything they are arguably worse, as the form of Islamic governance represented by the Saudis is more radical, violent and oppressive than anything the Muslim Brotherhood ever came up with.

There is no choice here. It literally doesn't matter which camp you pick, they are both cancerous. One is ISIS that made it (the Saudis) and the other is a Wannabe ISIS (the Muslim Brotherhood)

Of course Saudis are worse. But until they're under protection from the USA nothing can be done about it and it won't change under Trump presidency or anyone presidency.

[Ghostpanther]

Good. This is the most effective way to fight radical Islamic terrorism. The Muslims themselves need to turn against it in mast. And not just with words, but actions.

[Thunderball]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...di_Arabia#2002

they even tried to assassinate Mohammad Bin Naif in 2009, who is the heir to the kingdom right now.

Iran been hosting terrorist, manliy Al Qaieda, you should know that by know, esp after many BinLaden speechs praising Iran.

IsIs been calling saudi royal famliy infidels everytime they mention them, they even call them Al-Salul(insult) instead of Al-Saood, if you want to know what Al-Salol means here have a look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd-Allah_ibn_Ubayy

USA and Europe cannot draw the line with Russia because, its a world strong power, how did you just compare Russian to Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is no where as strong and dangerous as Russia, and a permanent member in UN security council

You are completely delusional. Iran is a Shia country, but ISIS and Al'Queda are almost entirely Sunni (more specifically Salafi and Wahhabi, those are one of the most radical branches of Islam, and happen to be majorly represented in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE, including royal families). If you read the article about terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia (2015) it was exclusively Shia communities that were targeted.

USA and Europe doesnt have to draw any lines with Russia in the Middle East, they just need to stop supporting terrorists, even if they are acting in their favor.

[Acidz]

You are completely delusional. Iran is a Shia country, but ISIS and Al'Queda are almost entirely Sunni (more specifically Salafi and Wahhabi, those are one of the most radical branches of Islam, and happen to be majorly represented in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE, including royal families).

So? Just because Saudi Arabia and ISIS are both Sunni, doesn't mean they support each other. Hell, even Al Nusra and ISIS are fighting each other.

If you read the article about terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia (2015) it was exclusively Shia communities that were targeted.

Also not true:
7 August — A suicide bomber attacked a Sunni mosque in Abha, in the southern province of Asir. The mosque was inside a military installation controlled by Saudi special forces engaged in the war in nearby Yemen. Press reports indicated 15 people were killed. 12 of them were members of security forces officers and the other three were workers

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But the Iranians have very little to no interest in anti-Western forms of Jihad (except their morbid obsession with Israel, tho that one is mutual), but very much in a regional power struggle with the Sunnis. Actually the Iranians would be EXTREMELY fast allies with the West if we stopped being the Saudis state sponsor.

If you are pointing at ISIS, I am not sure about this. ISIS is destabilizing the entire region (consisting mostly of Sunni countries), and even offered Iran a firm foothold in Syria. So I wouldn't say Iran has nothing to gain by ISIS wrecking havoc in nearby countries.

[Sting]

You may want to abandon those plans. There's chatter that this could lead to a war.

Blegh, that's kinda bad news. Guess I'll wait and see how it develops.

[Mihalik]

If you are pointing at ISIS, I am not sure about this. ISIS is destabilizing the entire region (consisting mostly of Sunni countries), and even offered Iran a firm foothold in Syria. So I wouldn't say Iran has nothing to gain by ISIS wrecking havoc in nearby countries.

Iran doesn't benefit from the shitshow in Iraq or in Syria. Assad and his Syrian state is and has always been aligned with Iran. The Civil war destabilized his rule and allowed Saudi funded factions to butt into Syria where they historically held absolutely no influence. The Iranian intervention was at one point the only thing that propped up Assad's government and that stopped ISIS from moving on Baghdad.

Iraq is another Shia majority country that is increasingly allied with Iran and increasingly reliant on Iranian support as ISIS primarily operates in the Sunni dominated regions and sold itself to the local populace as their protectors from the Shia dominated government.

Iran's influence in the region peaked during the US Iraqi Occupation and before the Syrian Civil War around 2010-2011.

The reluctance of Sunni Arab states to act against ISIS in its early days had a lot to do with the fact that ISIS was primarily attacking Shia populations and the Iranian area of influence.

[Acidz]

Iran doesn't benefit from the shitshow in Iraq or in Syria. Assad and his Syrian state is and has always been aligned with Iran. The Civil war destabilized his rule and allowed Saudi funded factions to butt into Syria where they historically held absolutely no influence. The Iranian intervention was at one point the only thing that propped up Assad's government and that stopped ISIS from moving on Baghdad.

Iraq is another Shia majority country that is increasingly allied with Iran and increasingly reliant on Iranian support as ISIS primarily operates in the Sunni dominated regions and sold itself to the local populace as their protectors from the Shia dominated government.

Iran's influence in the region peaked during the US Iraqi Occupation and before the Syrian Civil War around 2010-2011.

The reluctance of Sunni Arab states to act against ISIS in its early days had a lot to do with the fact that ISIS was primarily attacking Shia populations and the Iranian area of influence.

Ehh.. what?

Syria was never "aligned" with Iran. Assad's baath party is a pan-Arabist movement in the first place. Only since the recent shit show in Syria they have been associating themselves with Iran.
And what do you mean "the reluctance of Sunni Arab states to act against ISIS"? They have been supporting the Syrian opposition from the start of the Civil War. Just as Iran has been backing Assad - whose primary interest isn't defeating ISIS (who have only been occupying the Syrian periphery), but getting the Sunni opposition back in line. But yeah, such nuance doesn't fit the banal narrative of Sunni is bad (because ISIS is Sunni); Alawi / Shia is good because they are not Sunni.

Edit: nvm, I forgot that according to the same narrative only Assad forces and Kurds have been fighting ISIS in Syria.