What is the point of the Burning Crusade?

[yetgdhfgh]

What is the point of the Burning Crusade?

Surely Sargeras must know the titans are dead so why does he keep this burning crusade going?

What is its end goal? What does he really hope to achieve at the end?

[Kaleredar]

What is the point of the Burning Crusade?

Surely Sargeras must know the titans are dead so why does he keep this burning crusade going?

What is its end goal? What does he really hope to achieve at the end?

He basically wants to un-make the universe to destroy what he believes is the "fallacy of order," and by extension deny the void lords anywhere to find a foothold.

[Boogums]

What is the point of the Burning Crusade?

Surely Sargeras must know the titans are dead so why does he keep this burning crusade going?

What is its end goal? What does he really hope to achieve at the end?

The titans have nothing to do with why there's a burning Legion. He wants to prevent the Void beings from infesting the universe.

[Aquamonkey]

He basically wants to un-make the universe to destroy what he believes is the "fallacy of order,"

Sargeras wanting disorder hasn't been canon for over a decade.

[Felrane]

Well everyone in the universe isn't dead yet...
Sargeras himself murdered the pantheon so of course he knows they are dead. It is also possible there are still other world souls that haven't been born into new titans.

Azeroth is a titan and the most powerful one also Sargeras wants to bang her. She is also damaged and might not be able to be born and also infested with the old gods and might be falling to the void.

[DarkTZeratul]

What is the point of the Burning Crusade?

Surely Sargeras must know the titans are dead so why does he keep this burning crusade going?

What is its end goal? What does he really hope to achieve at the end?

To extinguish all life in the universe so there will be nothing left for the Void Lord's to corrupt.

[McFuu]

To extinguish all life in the universe so there will be nothing left for the Void Lord's to corrupt.

This is pretty much the short of it, and the long of it. He is focused on Azeroth because he knows it's a powerful potential Titan which he wants to stop from being corrupted by the void. Otherwise he would have continued on his way and taken over more worlds to add to his army before coming back and easily wiping us out. He assumes there isn't much time left.

[yetgdhfgh]

To extinguish all life in the universe so there will be nothing left for the Void Lord's to corrupt.

That sounds to me like killing my own children just so they wont catch polio!

[Caerule]

The Void Lords seek to consume all matter and energy in the physical universe.

The problem is that they can't easily get to it. Their plan to change that is to corrupt an unawakened Titan into a Dark Titan that could hand them the universe on a silver platter. They don't know which planets will turn out to contain a Titan's soul, and few do. So they created the Old Gods and hurled them out into our universe to corrupt and darken any planet they land upon, in hopes one will create what they desire.

Sargeras came across an unborn Titan that was in this process and freaked out. Learning of the Void Lord's plan, he believed the only way to deny victory to the Void Lords to be to destroy every world. A lifeless universe would deny the Void Lords sustenance.

To accomplish this mad goal, Sargeras sacrificed everything he was. He turned on his friends, abandoned his charge and made himself into what was needed to purge the universe: A merciless and evil monster. A satan not to one world, but every world.

Noble Sargeras is gone. In its place stands the Destroyer. The greatest of evils, that won't rest until his path of destruction is complete.

[Aquamonkey]

That sounds to me like killing my own children just so they wont catch polio!

It's okay, you might be able to have more children after. But they might get polio too, and you'd have to kill them.

Only by burning away all of creation could the titans stand a chance of thwarting the void lords' ultimate goal. In Sargeras's mind, even a lifeless universe was better than one dominated by the Void. Life had taken root in the cosmos once before. Perhaps after the physical universe was scoured of corruption, life would take root once again.
--Chronicle V1

What's stupid about Sargeras' plan is that there's nothing stopping the void lords from attempting to corrupt that 2nd wave of life. His plan doesn't address the real problem, the void lords. At least the Pantheon wanted Azeroth to defeat the void lords once and for all.

[Caerule]

What's stupid about Sargeras' plan is that there's nothing from stopping the void lords from attempting to corrupt that 2nd wave of life. His plan doesn't address the real problem, the void lords. At least the Pantheon wanted Azeroth to defeat the void lords once and for all.

Yeah, Sargeras' plan doesn't make too much sense. Perhaps there's more to it. Maybe his theory was that without a united goal like consuming our universe, the Void will turn on itself. There's some logic to that. The Void Lords teamed up to do the Old God plan, but if hunger, greed and darkness is the nature of the void, turning on each other is in its nature.

Of course, that may have been Original Sargeras' logic before he became a fel-corrupted monster. The way he goes about destroying planets, with fel literally burning them away from within, doesn't seem to lend itself well to creating an empty universe that's in any way a fertile soil for now life. Fel crumbles mountains and boils away seas, till nothing remains. We can see Argus already coming apart. I suppose that discussion may be a little beyond the scope of this thread however.

[yetgdhfgh]

What's stupid about Sargeras' plan is that there's nothing stopping the void lords from attempting to corrupt that 2nd wave of life. His plan doesn't address the real problem, the void lords. At least the Pantheon wanted Azeroth to defeat the void lords once and for all.

So i guess the whole thing just boils down to the fact Sargeras is just a fucking nutcase who promises power to those gulliable enough to believe his delusions?

No wonder Kil'jaeden was starting to see through it all!

[FelPlague]

What is the point of the Burning Crusade?

Surely Sargeras must know the titans are dead so why does he keep this burning crusade going?

What is its end goal? What does he really hope to achieve at the end?

somone has not read the books

the void lords are throwing STD's into space all over in hopes of hitting a titan soul infused planet, in hope it iwll hatch into a dark titan, strong enough to destroy EVERYTHING

sargeras wants to purge all planets to stop this, to destroy ALLMOST everything, to stop them from doing it

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It's okay, you might be able to have more children after. But they might get polio too, and you'd have to kill them.

Only by burning away all of creation could the titans stand a chance of thwarting the void lords' ultimate goal. In Sargeras's mind, even a lifeless universe was better than one dominated by the Void. Life had taken root in the cosmos once before. Perhaps after the physical universe was scoured of corruption, life would take root once again.
--Chronicle V1

What's stupid about Sargeras' plan is that there's nothing stopping the void lords from attempting to corrupt that 2nd wave of life. His plan doesn't address the real problem, the void lords. At least the Pantheon wanted Azeroth to defeat the void lords once and for all.

if he destroys all the planets with titansouls on them, they dont "regrow" i think, so his plan makes sense

in a sorta stupid evil way

he wants to burn all planets, make an army, destroy all titan souls, hes fine with his army being corrupted, or a race, because they are easy, but he just needs to destroy the titan souls so they cant cause a problem

[nothingsjim]

It's okay, you might be able to have more children after. But they might get polio too, and you'd have to kill them.

Only by burning away all of creation could the titans stand a chance of thwarting the void lords' ultimate goal. In Sargeras's mind, even a lifeless universe was better than one dominated by the Void. Life had taken root in the cosmos once before. Perhaps after the physical universe was scoured of corruption, life would take root once again.
--Chronicle V1

What's stupid about Sargeras' plan is that there's nothing stopping the void lords from attempting to corrupt that 2nd wave of life. His plan doesn't address the real problem, the void lords. At least the Pantheon wanted Azeroth to defeat the void lords once and for all.

Sargeras believes two things.

1. Void Lord got too much head-start in the "Race" of Universal Extinction, which is actually true. Void Lords existed before our Universe even came into be, while Titans didn't come much later, so Void Lords have thousands, if not millions years of advantage in the current Universe. Sargeras believes if he destroys all life in Universe, he can "Reset" the race. From that point, he and Void Lords will have equal footing, and he can safeguard the "New" Universe against the Void Lord much better.

2. Life finds a way to flourish without help in the Universe before. So after he "Reset" the race, life will be able to flourish again, this time without Void Lord taking advantage of it.

Now, about the second point...Have we actually seen a planet destroyed by Legion "Recover"? Have we actually went to any planet that has been left behind after the Legion destroyed it?

Most of Legion worlds we visited (Or will visit) are occupied by Demons, like Mardum, Argus, Niskara. The continued presence of Demon and their Fel energy means the planet won't recover, ever. But if the demons actually left the world, could the world eventually recover on their on? May be not in a century or two, but in a thousand year? A thousand year is a blink of eye from a universal scale.

[Aquamonkey]

1. Void Lord got too much head-start in the "Race" of Universal Extinction, which is actually true. Void Lords existed before our Universe even came into be, while Titans didn't come much later, so Void Lords have thousands, if not millions years of advantage in the current Universe. Sargeras believes if he destroys all life in Universe, he can "Reset" the race. From that point, he and Void Lords will have equal footing, and he can safeguard the "New" Universe against the Void Lord much better.

Sargeras doesn't know what happened before the universe because he was born in the universe. He can't be everywhere at once.

[Aquamonkey]

It's more like oblivion is better than hell.

[Deleted]

So i guess the whole thing just boils down to the fact Sargeras is just a fucking nutcase who promises power to those gulliable enough to believe his delusions?

No wonder Kil'jaeden was starting to see through it all!

He is not delusional. The threat of the void lords is real.

He just can't fathom that anyone besides titans would be able to deal with the problem. Titans tend to have a god-complex, even the pantheon had that. Just about every titan construct you meet in game is like "you can't beat this evil, you are mere mortals" and then like "omg you beat the evil! what a revelation! maybe there is hope!". Algalon, Raden, that guy in SoO and others, they are all completely surprised mortals can stand against these threats.

So if you believe there is no fix for the problem, a mercy killing makes sense. and maybe, hoping against hope, if a second wave of life happens, maybe just maybe if he does everything right and keeps eternal vigilance, he can prevent a world soul from being corrupted. (or maybe he just hopes no new world souls will be born, so once the current set is destroyed the problem is solved forever)

ALso Kil'jaeden and select other high ranking demons know the true purpose of the burning legion. I think the only reason they just destroy all in their path is to prevent opposition, to keep the demons from making a fuss and as a better safe then sorry approach.

[Camthur]

Sargeras is not crazy. That's what's so scary about the dude. You could just write off his plan if he was nutso. While we don't agree with the whole "scourge all life from the universe" tactic, he has a legitimate reason for wanting to do it. (which ends up badly for us, so we want nothing to do with it)

[Miatog]

Hell only comes if a Void Titan is born. That means he needs to kill all the world souls. What about planets with no world souls? Why destroy them or kill the people who live there?

Because the void lords can corrupt ALL life. Part one of his plan is to burn away all possible trace or possible chance for void lord corruption, all life. While there's nothing that ever states this, I think (in his mind) one of two things will happen once that goal is done. Either with all corruption gone he hopes the void lords will be unable to reenter the world and the new life will be safe. Or he has some unspoken plan to cut them off completely once all life is gone.

And if neither of those are true he does flat believe that a lifeless void full of stuff is better than one full of void lord corruption.

[Aucald]

Sargeras (and the Pantheon before him) don't know the method by which a nascent Titan world-soul develops in a planet, there's nothing that guarantees that even if a given world doesn't currently possess a world-soul that it can't develop one or be inhabited by one in some nebulous point in its future. Only by destroying the medium by which these would-souls develop (e.g. all planets that support elemental life) can he be sure that the Void will be unable to corrupt one and create a Dark Titan. Sargeras is insane, of course, maddened by his toxic exposure to Fel - which is why he has no plans for the future after the success of his Burning Crusade and isn't thinking in an ordered fashion anymore.