Good thing nobody has really said that they hacked the election results. The only people pushing that narrative are some conservatives trying to confuse and distract from the actual issues and a small group of extremists liberals. That is not something that mainstream media has ever really reported on, and it's not anything that I've really seen supported here.
He didn't say they hacked them, only that they attempted to.
Which I'm not sure if the leaked report specifically confirms that they attempted to directly hack the machines themselves (I've not had a chance to fully read through it all), but it does confirm that there were multiple attempts to gain access to the voting system and that some of them were successful.
No actually @KrazyK923 didn't say that. Read it again, I will bold the word you apparently missed:
Did you miss the word 'trying', the way you stated it was that KrazyK said it happened. He never said that.
Lol glad I got that "fauke nuuuws leebruuls" in early.
My ardent support of Trump? Where?
Oh c'mon, separation of power has just created a blurred elite class consisting mainly of oligarch clans, their lobbies, and their politicians. Yes, this system protects its integrity well, but that's literally the only thing it does. American establishment is unable to ever change and adapt, that's why Putin hijacked Crimea, Syrian war, and now supposedly even your elections.
Authoritarian rule has a powerful upperhand - one man can adapt and change things on the go, and Russia has always taken greatest leaps in progress under the most authoritarian rulers: Ivan the Terrible united Rus, Peter the Great built St. Petersburg and created the fleet, Vladimir Lenin set the foundation for communism and granted everyone access to free education (and electrification), and Joseph Stalin was pretty much a titan of a man, he won the war and rebuilt the country, as we say, "he came to a country with a hoe, he left it with nuclear power".
Systems with separation of power are good for stable times, but in times of turmoil, councils spend all their time and resources on infighting and debating, agreeing only on keeping the status quo. Remember, even Roman Empire had tge times of Senate and the times of Emperor.
Separation of powers can lead to oligarchs. Consolidations of power guarantees it. Russia's latest "triumphs" have all been big political blunders for small gains, and have all but set the world against Russia, which is why it's now trying to meddle in elections - because world opinions of Russia are so low that it literally has to rig up support.
And as has been pointed out numerous times, Putin's ring of oligarchs that support him is starting to crack under the pressure of sanctions, which is why he's so desperate to remove them.
The idea of Trump was very scary, but the reality is that Trump is the laughing stock of both the nation and the world. The few that support him are embarrassed. He can't even put together a full cabinet. We're guessing he secretly signed an executive order stating that for every 1 staffer you hire, 2 must either resign or be fired. The Russian interference in our election is leaking through the cracks and Putin/Trump's fingerprints all over it.
The fact that the meddling is being uncovered so quickly, and Putin gained nothing from the meddling means that it's failed. You can gloat that there was success in meddling with the elections, sure. Even healthy people get sick, then their immune system kicks the infection to the curb, which is exactly what's happening here.
No Russian sanctions were removed, despite Trump's best efforts, NATO is snowballing, and our allies in NATO realize that Trump is a sickness that will be purged, and we can get our foreign relations back on track in the next administration.
2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
They really must think this publication (The Intercept) because of its tenuous association with the heroic acts of Snowden would give more credibility to this absurd nonsense.
1) Create more 'Top Secret evidence' of Russian involvement (that doesn't prove any actual hacking was involved)
2) Provide an anti-Trumper access to the phony dox (who should never have had access to this kind of info)
3) Wait for dupe like TI to publish and news media to follow (which should have known better than to publish)
4) Give a collar to FBI for a ‘national security’ leak (TI would not normally have burned their source)
5) Just in time to deflect attention from Comey's upcoming investigation
Further proof that what CIA Director Casey said to Reagan in 1981 is still in effect: "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
Edit: I've known that Glenn Greenwald is a founding editor of The Intercept, but I recently learned he is not an owner, a managing editor, executive editor, etc. His role there now is as a columnist and was not one of the reporters on this story. Indeed, there is no reason to believe that he had any particular knowledge of this piece before its publication.
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They went for those who made some of voting machines (and in non-swing states at that) and for some voting officials.
That is quite far from "attempt to hack voting machines" - since such claim would have to show at least them obtaining source code for those machines and/or attempt to pass modified code as update into real machines. Like StuxNet did for Iranian centrifuges.
That's your narrative.It went from "Russia absolutely did not interfere wit the election at all!"
to
"Russia may have interfered with the election slightly but they didn't touch the voting machines!"
to
"Okay, Russia may have majorly interfered with the election and propaganda spread, but they didn't touch the voting machines!"
to
"Okay, Russia may have majorly interfered in the election and propaganda spread, and attempted to gain access to the voting machines as well as orchestrated phishing scams on many election officials, but they obviously didn't try to influence the vote!"
Russian claim was always that Russian interference isn't sufficiently well substantiated (even this last release is conjecture and allegations rather then facts), and the only claim officially made is that Russia wasn't involved in official capacity. Russians, being private citizens, could.
Trump consolidating his power while you chase those wild claims, obviously.Wonder what the next phase is.
You can tell that this leak really caught the MAGAts and their Putinist allies off guard. Watch them twist themselves into pretzels over it.
He can't even fill positions in his administration because he's toxic to the point that people don't want to work for him. He's wasting time on pseudo-signings (ATC privatization). He's burning through political capital. He threatened House members of his own party and still failed to pass the healthcare bill the first time.
And this guy is going to be consolidating power. What power? He's attempting to break the record on how fast a President can become a lame duck.
And yet you assume every Russian voted for Putin?
...and then if they did, they agree with each and every his action?
...in fact, with this you seem to be gullible enough to elect Trump even more.
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Yeah, yeah, Russia is controlling the world despite being bound to fall over any moment now!